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Rich

04-15-2003 10:17:13




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I am having a problem engaging the pony to the diesel on a 70D. The gear on the pony is turning before it is fully engaged causing a grinding when it meets the ring gear. It would seem that it should begin turning after engagement. I have read the manuals but I am still unclear as to proper operation of the mechanism and adjustments. Thank you for any help.




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F-I-T

04-15-2003 11:23:30




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 Re: 70D Pony in reply to Rich, 04-15-2003 10:17:13  
Rich: I've been in and out of that same problem, and the adjustments can be tough to get just right. First off, there is a brake pad back in behind the pinion. If it's worn out or oil soaked, it will be a problem for you. To replace it means pulling the pony off the tractor. Is your pinion gear at rest when the engagement lever is all the way forward ? If so, the brake is probably servicible.

Does your pony clutch work all right ? If you can warm up the pony, then shut it off, then engage it and start it up already engaged, does the pony crank the diesel, or does it slip at all ? If it slips, you might have to adjust the clutch first.

Next, when you pull back on the engagement lever fully, the linkage is pulled back in the center. As this inverted "Y" is pulled back, the linkage should form a straight line, going from the clutch yoke on the tractor right, to the pinion yoke on the tractor left. There is a little plate on the outside of the housing that holds a spring and pin. It has a cotter key on the outside to retain it. That spring pushes the linkage to the right, as the clutch resists it. So, all the force to hold the pressure plate to the flywheel is caused by the spring. This pin should stick out about 1/16" when engaged.

So, if the clutch is all right, and the pinion is turning before it has moved outward, you can try shortening the link that connects to the pinion yoke. That way, as you pull the lever back, the pinion yoke will begin to pivot before the linkage can become straight, forcing the clutch yoke to push on the pressure plate. If you shorten it too far, the pinion will engage, but the pressure plate will not have enough pressure against it, and it will slip (as indicated by the pin on the end not protruding 1/16") . Then you will have to begin lengthening it maybe a 1/2 turn at a time until you get it to engage then turn.

It's really important that the brake be servicable and that the clutch is adjusted properly.

Post back with your findings.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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Follow-up...F-I-T

04-15-2003 17:22:03




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 Re: Re: 70D Pony in reply to F-I-T, 04-15-2003 11:23:30  
Rich:

When I said "That spring pushes the linkage to the right, as the clutch resists it. So, all the force to hold the pressure plate to the flywheel is caused by the spring. This pin should stick out about 1/16" when engaged.", that comes right from my '70'D service manual. That dimension could be greater and still everything work well. There were early/late linkages, so that might be the reason for the difference. If you have a later one like mine, it could be 3/16" or 7/32"..... ..less means less tension on the pin that will push against the linkage toward the pressure plate.

Maybe someone out there with a 720D service manual could look that up for us.

Frank

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Clooney

04-15-2003 17:45:16




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 Re: Re: Re: 70D Pony in reply to Follow-up...F-I-T, 04-15-2003 17:22:03  
Frank, the 720D is 7/32"..... .



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Clooney

04-15-2003 11:20:09




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 Re: 70D Pony in reply to Rich, 04-15-2003 10:17:13  
Rich, first, make sure the flywheel is where it's supposed to be, grab the flywheel & try to move it in & out, or have someone engage & disengage the clutch & watch the flywheel as they snap the clutch in & out.. That isn't a big problem on the early 70's but if the flywheel & spacer has been updated to the later 720D parts it could be you have too much crankshaft end play due to a migrating flywheel. ~Next run the pony & see if the pinion is spinning when it's sitting all the way in the disengaged position, if so you either have a pony brake problem, or oil on the pony brake, or the pony clutch is rusty or mis-adjusted, or the linkage is adjusted incorrectly.
~If it worked before & nothing has been moved it is probably either the rust or oil on the brake disk.
~If the pinion isn�t spinning when it�s against the brake disk you probably need a linkage or clutch adjustment.
~If you decide it needs a pony clutch adjustment MAKE SURE you mark the 3 clutch adjusting bolts BEFORE LOOSENING THE NUTS & keep close count & track of how much & which way you move the adjusting bolts. Once you get them out of sync with each other they are very difficult to get back even again.
~The clutch & linkage adjustment procedure is in your service manual.

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Rich

04-15-2003 10:43:24




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 Re: 70D Pony in reply to Rich, 04-15-2003 10:17:13  
I should add, the tractor has had very little use is the last 5 years after a rebuild of the pony.



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