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How do you tell detergent from non

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Dan

04-11-2003 19:56:06




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non-detergent oil.Is it indicated on the container or do you tell by the Wt.# Have an older AR and thinking I want non-detergent oil in it.Hope tis is not a stupid ?




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Gary in TX

04-12-2003 17:59:11




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 Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Dan, 04-11-2003 19:56:06  
Hey Dan,
My dad always used non detergent oil in the B John Deere we have. I use torq guard 30wt in my 3020 and 4020 and if I'm remembering right I think they are non detergent as well. Could be wrong but thats what I have always used in them. I will use regular 30wt Hd Quaker state when I get my H finished and also when I restore dads B.



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john

04-12-2003 05:37:36




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 Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Dan, 04-11-2003 19:56:06  
Let me shed a little light on the subject of Detergent vs Non-Detergent oil. In high school automotive class we had the discussion on detergent vs non-detergent oil. Most people think of a detergent as a solvent. not completely true. As it pertains to oil. Detergent oil has the ability to hold particles in suspension. Non-Detergent will allow those particles to settle to the bottom of the pan.

It is important to use a detergent oil with a pressureized system with an oil filter. The detergent holds the particles in suspension till the filter removes them, then the clean oil is pumped to the parts needing lubrication.

Now it as important to use a Non-Detergent oil in a non-pressureized system with no oil filter so that the particles (dirt, metal chips) will settle so that the oil remains contaminate free as the system has no way to remove the particles until you flush the system.

Detergent oil has very little solvent ability and will NOT loosen up sludge and other contaminates within the system. Kerosene, mineral spirits and parts solvents have that job.

So we decided after a good debate and a lot of rethinking, as a good rule of thumb....

Oil filter = Detergent oil

No oil filter = Non Detergent oil

I hope this is helpful to a few of you>

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Peter J

04-12-2003 15:05:48




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 Re: Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to john, 04-12-2003 05:37:36  
This is BS! Any one who uses non-detergent oil has a screw loose! The only reason non-detergent oils were used in the old days was there was nothing else available. John was right in saying detergent oils won't remove built up sludge but that's the only thing he said was right. Non-detergent oil is a straight mineral oil without any additives. Modern detergent oils are the only way to go in any engine!

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Dan

04-12-2003 10:17:23




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 Re: Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to john, 04-12-2003 05:37:36  
Thanks john, your post makes alot of sense to me.Thanks for taking the time.



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Steve - IN

04-11-2003 23:35:30




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 Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Dan, 04-11-2003 19:56:06  
Not a dumb question. The non-detergents have a line on the label. The detergents may not. The weight of the oil isn't relevant per se -- but you're not likely to find a multi weight non-detergent.

Assuming you've just gotten this tractor -- check with the guy you bought it from. Odds are he may have been using a detergent oil. Along with detergent, current oils have good additive packages to help your engine live longer. The downside is switching from non-detergent to detergent could free up a lot of crud that may do some damage.

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Dan

04-12-2003 10:22:02




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 Re: Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Steve - IN, 04-11-2003 23:35:30  
Hi Steve, the tractor has been sitting for a # of yrs. Owner is not around anymore to quiz.There is a filter and I agree chances are it was being lubed with detergent oil.



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C

04-11-2003 21:20:34




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 Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Dan, 04-11-2003 19:56:06  
Why in the world would you WANT non-detergent oil in your engine????? Just keep on using modern day engine oil in it which probably is what it has been fed for the past 20+++ years.
Non-detergent oil..... . I haven't bought any in years. It may be marked "non-detergent" or I seem to recall some I bought 20 years ago having "SA" for the API designation.
Todays modern engine oils are upto SG, SH, SJ, (maybe higher by now) for gasoline enignes.

What is an "older" AR? Is that different than a "newer" AR? I thought they were all old by now. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Dan

04-12-2003 10:25:49




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 Re: Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to C, 04-11-2003 21:20:34  
I suppose I should have stated the its an unstyled AR, for the amount of usage it will now get maybe detergent type oil shouldn't hurt.



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Lyle Oakes

04-11-2003 20:01:16




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 Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Dan, 04-11-2003 19:56:06  
With the eye you can't tell the difference, but they have words on the can stating if it is non-detergent. Hope this helps.



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Dan

04-12-2003 10:27:00




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 Re: Re: How do you tell detergent from non in reply to Lyle Oakes, 04-11-2003 20:01:16  
Thankyou Lyle.



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