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How to check starter on 730ES

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George Simko

04-05-2003 08:19:55




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Tha 730 started fine in the morning but after lunch it doesn't crank at all. There is power to the lights and to the starter (indicated by a test light). The solenoid moves when the starter button is depressed but it does not crank. Whats the best way to check the starter/solenoid out.




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Clooney

04-05-2003 18:09:10




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 Re: How to check starter on 730ES in reply to George Simko, 04-05-2003 08:19:55  
George, I see from below you are talking about a 730ES diesel & not just an electric start gas tractor? SO....
~The first thing you should check is that ALL the batteries are fully charged. Those ES diesels are 24 volt for cranking & charging but the lights work from 12 volts from either one or other set of 6-volt batteries. That means you could easily have lights power from one side when testing but not the full 24 volts for cranking. Those 730ES diesels are noted for not charging all the batteries evenly when one battery goes bad.
~If you do in fact have fully charged & properly connected batteries & all the cables are clean & have clean connections, your problem could be starter or starter solenoid related. That starter has an isolated ground so you can't just use a test light to the tractor frame to check it. You should be able to use a 12 volt test light to check between the starter ground stud & the tractor frame to see if the test light lights [it should] & use a 12 volt test light to test between the starter solenoid powered post & the tractor frame [again it should light].... To test the solenoid, either hook a voltmeter [at least capable of reading 24 volts] between the starter ground post & starter power stud then energize the solenoid, you should show over 23 volts if the solenoid is passing current. A simpler test would be to just short between the solenoid battery cable [power] post & the post that leads to the starter stud & if it cranks you probably have a failed solenoid [use a set of jumper cables & not a screw driver to short across that solenoid]. If it still doesn't crank, suspect a failed starter [or low battery voltage, or poor cable connections].....

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George Simko

04-06-2003 18:56:22




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 Re: Re: How to check starter on 730ES in reply to Clooney , 04-05-2003 18:09:10  
Thanks to all of you for your excellent and timely response! It did indeed turn out that one of the batteries was bad - dead cell. I just was not expecting that, as it had cranked fine in the morning. I'll consider myself lucky, as the solenoids from are quite a bit more than a battery. Thanks Again!



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John T

04-05-2003 17:26:07




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 Re: How to check starter on 730ES in reply to George Simko, 04-05-2003 08:19:55  
George, Even if an electrical solenoid is getting energy and pulling in (you said it moves, so I assume its getting power when you press start), it can still be bad, however, due to carbon build up or other problems which can cause the starter to not receive sufficient current to operate, even if a voltmeter reads the correct voltage present.

If you have a 12 volt electric start gas tractor, that solenoid can be easily checked by by-passing around it with jumper or battery cables, thereby applying 12 volts battery voltage direct to the starter to see if she then cranks. CAUTION you have to make good quick heavy solid contact when you try and jumper cable around a solenoid or direct to the starters input to avoid arcing, heat and carbon.

However, if this is a 24 volt electric start diesel, those large heavy solenoids and connections arent quite as simple and safe and easy to test. When you say it moves??? that sounds like you may indeed be talkign about a large 24 volt heavy solenoid and not the small light ones used on 12 volt gas tractors???

Often when one suspects a starter is bad and if the solenoid is good and by passing it still doesnt crank her over, there can still be a bad or loose or carboned up battery cable or terminal or ground connection somewhere assuming the battery(s) are in top shape. A loose or weak or carboned up terminal or connection or ground can yield the same result (non cranking) as a bad starter, so check and tighten and clean ALL battery terminal and ground connections and cable ends first. Also, if it a 24 volt system, even if only one of the (2 or 4 ?) batterys is bad, it can cause poor or no starter performance.

So, be sure all connections and cable ends and terminals and grounds are clean and tight and all batterys are charged and the starter is well grounded (if a 12 volt) and by pass (if a 12 volt) the solenoid before finally suspecting a bad starter. A starter shop can check it out for you and they often just need a new set of brushes and a good cleanign up and servicing the commutator to get them going. PS I was thinking by 730ES its a 24 volt electric start diesel is that right??? If so, all the battery and connections and grounds and cable tips above hold true, but I dont like to try any by pass test on those solenloids like on the light simple 12 volt single terminal ones, and you might take the starter and solenoid to a shop for a laod test if all other tips fail. Also be sure the solenoid is getting sufficient power even if its a 24 volt system, but since you say it moves, I suspect it is.

Good Luck n God Bless the USA Please pray for our troops.

Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Clooney

04-05-2003 10:06:20




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 Re: How to check starter on 730ES in reply to George Simko, 04-05-2003 08:19:55  
George, are you working on an electric start diesel or an electric start gasoline tractor?



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George Simko

04-05-2003 17:53:49




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 Re: Re: How to check starter on 730ES in reply to Clooney , 04-05-2003 10:06:20  
The 730 is an electric start diesel. Thanks



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F-I-T

04-05-2003 08:38:24




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 Re: How to check starter on 730ES in reply to George Simko, 04-05-2003 08:19:55  
George:

First, if the solenoid moves, it has power, but it might not be passing the power though to the starter. Check to see if it is passing power to the starter by checking with your test light on the terminal on the solenoid that connects to the starter when you engage it. If not, the plate in the solenoid might be burned, and you might be able to take that solenoid apart and clean it or flip it over, or replace it.

If the problem seems to be the starter motor itself, it could be a problem like a hung up brush. Tapping on the solenoid and starter body with a hammer handle might allow it to release.

Otherwise you might need new brushes, but I don't think it would have quit all of a sudden.

Sounds like an intermittent in the solenoid, which is more than likely the contacting disk.

Worth a try.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855

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