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40S voltage regulator

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Dave

04-02-2003 20:45:03




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On my regulator there are four lugs one is stamped
Batt,F,L and one on the back.What does the L stand
for and the one in the back it has no stamp.This is on a 1953 JD 40 standard.Thanks




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John T

04-03-2003 06:26:33




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 Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to Dave, 04-02-2003 20:45:03  
Mornin Dave, Many are more familiar with Voltage Regulators that had only 3 terminals and people sometimes buy a replacement voltage regulator with different (3 or 4 posts) terminals and get confused as to how to wire them. On some 4 wire Voltage Regulators I've seen, the (F) (L) and (BAT) terminals are up on top like normal, while the (ARM) or (GEN) are wired down off the bottom. On the regular 3 wire Voltage Regulators, their terminals are marked and used as follows:

(F) wired to the generators Field Terminal (smaller of its 2 output studs),

(ARM) or (GEN) on some, wired to the generators Armature output terminal (larger of 2 output studs), and

(BAT) connected to the battery to charge it, ususally via an ammeter where its wired to its load (non battery) side. The other side of ammeter is wired to the battery to charge it, usually off the starter post or even direct to the batterys non grounded post.

On the 4 wire Voltage Regulators, they have terminals marked:

(F) wired to the generators Field Terminal,

(ARM) or (GEN) on some, wired to the generators Armature output terminal,

(BAT) which is connected to the battery to charge it via an ammeter where its wired to its load (non battery) side, and

(L) Load which is the power feed wire that supplies current and voltage to loads such as lights and the ignition coil, via the tractors light and ignition switch(es).

NOW FOR THE DIFFERENCE

On the 3 wire Voltage Regulators, loads like ignition and lights are fed from the ammeters load (non battery) side, which is the same place the Voltage Regulators (BAT) terminal is connected.

HOWEVER

On the 4 wire Voltage Regulators, loads like ignition and lights ARE NOT connected to the ammeters load side, but are fed via the (L) Load terminal on the Voltage Regulator, via the tractors light and ignition switch(es).

So, the L terminal you asked about is what feeds and powers loads like lights and ignition etc., via the switch, instead of them feedign off the ammeters load side as on 3 wire Voltage Regulators.

I hope this helps and provides guidance to those who are tryign to wire either type of Voltage Regulators.

God Bless the USA and please pray for our troops,

Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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40/40

04-03-2003 18:12:58




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 Re: Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to John T, 04-03-2003 06:26:33  
John
I don't understand how that L terminal works. You said>> So, the L terminal you asked about is what feeds and powers loads like lights and ignition etc., via the switch, instead of them feedign off the ammeters load side as on 3 wire Voltage Regulators.>>I have some questions about that ? How does the lights and ignition get its power from the ammeter without "via the switch" on a 3 wire regulator system? I can't understand how that L terminal can know when to turn on the lights or coil without a switch as you have said. Where does that L terminal get its power from before the generator is charging> you said the lights and coil arent powered from the ammeter>my lights and coil work before the tractor is started so it must get power from somewhere else. 40/40

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John T

04-03-2003 20:08:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to 40/40, 04-03-2003 18:12:58  
Hi again 40, The (L) or Load terminal receives its power from the battery, of course, internally wired inside the Voltage Regulator as the battery is also connected to the VR at the BAT terminal.

On 3 wire Voltage Regulators, the light and ignition switch(es) get their power from the ammeter's load side.

On 4 wire Voltage Regulators, the light and ignition switch(es) get their power off the (L) Load terminal on the Voltage Regulator.

The power, of course, to feed lights and ignition still must come from the battery, its just that the L terminal is the feed point for the 4 wire VR's while the load (non battery) side of the ammeter is the feed point on the 3 wire VR's.

The ammeter still correctly shows the amount of current in or out the battery on 3 OR 4 wire VR's, because even on 4 wire VR's, the current out the (L)terminal is still supplied by the VR's BAT terminal, which is fed from the ammeters load side.

The only difference is where the ignition and light switch(es) gets its main feed wire. i.e., either the (L) terminal on the VR (4 wire VR) or the load side of the ammeter (3 wire VR), but all still comes from the battery and passes through the ammeter first.

The (L) terminal doesnt know when to turn on lights or ignition, its always HOT, it just supplies the current and voltage to the switches (Loads) so when you turn them on, they work. In answer to one of your questions, the L terminal gets its power from the battery (via internal VR wiring to BAT terminal) before the tractor is running. In answer to another of your questions, on the 3 wire VR system, the load side of the ammeter is the hot feed wire to the switch(es) so when you turn them on current flows out the battery, through the ammeter, then powers the lights or ignition coil etc.

Hope this helps. Post back any more questions. Take care. Ol John T

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Clooney

04-03-2003 02:50:05




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 Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to Dave, 04-02-2003 20:45:03  
Dave, the [L] stands for "load"... You have both a current & voltage controlled regulator so the ign & light loads are run from that [L] terminal...The [L] terminal by-passes the current winding on the field control so the battery doesn't overcharge during prolonged tractor operation in day long field usage.
~That 4 terminal regulator you have has a [BAT] terminal & it wires to the NON-battery side of the ammeter,,,a [Fld] terminal & it wires to the [F] post (smaller of the two) on the generator,,,a [GEN] terminal & it wires to the [A] post (larger of the two) on the generator--The [GEN] terminal is that un-marked terminal on the bottom back of your regulator,,,And an [L] terminal & that [L] terminal wires to the BAT terminal on the ignition/light switch through a 20 amp fuse on the back of the dash panel.
~Make sure the regulator has a clean & common ground with the generator or it won't function correctly.
~Once it's all wired up per above use a jumper wire & momentarily touch the jumper wire from the battery stud on the starter to the [A] post on the generator as that will polarize the generator [you should see a small spark & that means it's polarized]

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40/40

04-04-2003 13:33:39




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 Re: Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to Clooney , 04-03-2003 02:50:05  
clooney can you explain that L terminal for me please. john t just confused me more. in his first post he said the L terminal powers the lights and ignition not the ammeter. then in his second post he says the L terminal is powered from the battery. i have a 40 and it doesnt have a battery connection to the regulator. the only powered wire on the regulator is from the ammeter but he says the ammeter doesnt power the load terminal. can you tell me where that L terminal gets its power from. even though john t says it isnt powered from the ammeter i think it must be because that is the only power source to the regulator with the tractor not running. if it is powered from the ammeter why not just power the lights from the back of the ammeter. sorry for all the questions but i cant seen to understand how this thing works. i really dont think john t there understands it either.

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Clooney

04-05-2003 06:54:21




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 Re: Re: Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to 40/40, 04-04-2003 13:33:39  
40/40, send me your E-Mail address & I will send you a complete easy to understand explanaion complete with picture.....



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Bill Childress

10-17-2003 05:11:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to Clooney , 04-05-2003 06:54:21  
Could you please send this info to me also, I'm having trouble with a JD 40-S. Thanks!

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Jeff's 40

04-04-2003 17:29:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 40S voltage regulator in reply to 40/40, 04-04-2003 13:33:39  
40/40

These are the exact reasons that I asked Clooney for a copy of the 12 volt neg ground wiring diagram for single wire alternators.

Jeff



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