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Evan350

04-02-2003 13:23:52




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My father bought a John Deere 435 in 1961 but sold it after barely a year when he got a Farmall 350 which he preferred (sorry guys). Since I was born in 1961, I have no memory of the JD and never saw this particular model elsewhere in my travels. However, I just looked up a description of the 435 and see it has a GM Diesel engine. Now, I'm not a JD expert, but I find this curious since I thought all JD tractors had their own 2-cyl engines (gas and diesel) until the New Generation 10 series came out. Did any other JD's have GM motors? Was the 'platform' that the 435 was built on used in one of the 10 series tractors, or was the 435 a true odd ball in the JD line?

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zane

04-02-2003 18:23:33




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 Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Evan350, 04-02-2003 13:23:52  
According to Macmillan's "J.D. Tractors and Equipment", V. 1; the J.D. Tractors Models 62 and L used an engine designed and made by Hercules.



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Handsome Jim

04-02-2003 16:25:15




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 Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Evan350, 04-02-2003 13:23:52  
My dad's first hi lift crawler was a JD 440 which was an industrial version of the 430. It had the Detroit 2-53 diesel which is what your dad's 435 had. The 440 was available in a rubber tire (wheel tractor) or a crawler. All of the crawlers had the 2-53 which BTW was not a putt putt two cylinder. at the same time Deere built a 430 crawler of which all were two cylinder gassers. The The only difference between a 430 and a 435 was that all 430s were gas engines and the 435s were diesels.HJ

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Brandon

04-02-2003 17:57:28




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 Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Handsome Jim, 04-02-2003 16:25:15  
The 440 industrial tractors could have a gas or GM 2 cylinder diesel engine, in either crawler or wheel form. The 440 was basically a 420/430 with different final drives, frame, etc.

The 435 was based on the diesel version of the 440, with a few changes, but it would take me a while to look them up.

Brandon
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My JD model 80 website

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mike boehmke

10-12-2004 22:51:23




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 Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Brandon, 04-02-2003 17:57:28  
The 435 was its own breed you can up the horsepower by changing the main injecters. from .27 to .68 more than dubbling the power from the whoping 26 hp to over 65. If you get more creative you can get damn near 80 hp with the right combo of injecters and jugs. Thats saying you never use it other than pulls.



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What's the deal with certain words being underlined?

04-02-2003 20:03:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Brandon, 04-02-2003 17:57:28  
I just noticed that on Brandon's post and when I responded.HJ



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Handsome Jim

04-02-2003 20:00:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Brandon, 04-02-2003 17:57:28  
Wasn't the 435 the diesel version of the 430? Also the 430 was quite different in appearance than the 440 with the cast grill. I also thought that the while the reverser was available on both the 430 and 440 crawlers but only on the 440 rubber tire. I'm not disputing what your saying Brandon, maybe I was misinformed.



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Brandon

04-02-2003 21:13:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Handsome Jim, 04-02-2003 20:00:53  
The 440 and 435 were the same mechanically and frame wise, but the 435 did use agricultural style sheetmetal. It's not too hard to change the "looks" of a tractor. Just like the change from the '20 series to the '30 series.

One of the clues that point to a 440 front end support on the 435...notice that it has a pad in front of the front axle with FOUR holes. 420-430s have TWO holes there for mounting weights. The 440 was desinged to mount a pump there, thus different shape and holes.

According to the info I have, the 440 Wheel tractors and Crawlers could have reversers. Nothing is mentioned about the 420/430 wheel or crawler having it as an option. Nothing about the 435 having it either.

I didn't find this information alone! Some articles by JR Hobbs in Green Magazine helped alot! I probably wouldn't have realized that the 435 was mostly a 440 until he pointed it out in an article.

Have fun!
Brandon

P.S. About the underlined words...if you mean

THESE
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They are underlined because they are links to my websites.

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Handsome Jim

04-03-2003 04:16:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Brandon, 04-02-2003 21:13:52  
The underlining I'm talking about is on your two followup posts, whenever you typed the word wheel, it was underlined. The same thing happened when I typed in tire.



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JDGenII_dave_ny

04-02-2003 15:16:57




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 Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to Evan350, 04-02-2003 13:23:52  
The JD 8010/8020 that came out in 1959 used the GM 6-71 Detroit. There were only a few of these tractors made as they did not sell very well, being way ahead of their time. A 200+ HP articulated 4 wheel drive tractor in 1959, when state of the art was 80 HP. The 1010 was based on the 430 platform with updated hydraulics and 4 cyl engine, and presumably the 435 used the same chassis as the 430.

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G Taylor

04-02-2003 15:56:24




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 Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to JDGenII_dave_ny, 04-02-2003 15:16:57  
The later 1010 particularly up to serial number 31,000 was a pretty much a 430/435 with a four cylinder engine.At that point the transmission/rear was then beefed up. The two cylinder low pressure rockshaft/remote hydraulics dating pretty much from the 40 model was used. Improved late in the two cylinder 30 series and finally replaced with high pressure at serial number 42,000+ 1010's. The best background and info is in JR Hobb's books Little Giants and 30 series 2nd edition from www.greenmagazineonline.com . The 435 is semi rare along with the 320's or between the 320 & 330 depending on who you ask. The 435 is on occasion foul tempered but can be updated. Most 435's in the mid states and north have been wrecked for parts.

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70D

04-02-2003 15:39:41




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 Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to JDGenII_dave_ny, 04-02-2003 15:16:57  
JDGenII dave ny I've notice some of the older tractors like the A JD have some referance to GM with them I did'nt know if GM made a poweblock or what. always wanting to learn something new thanks as always 70D



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JDGenII_dave_ny

04-03-2003 09:21:32




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 Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to 70D, 04-02-2003 15:39:41  
JD did have a tractor called the GM (:-) but that had nothing to do with GM. In the "A" era, Deere did not source anything from General Motors, that I know of. The only Deere tractors I ever heard of being powered with GM diesels were the 435/440 series at the end of the two-cylinder era (these used the 2-53) and the 8010/8020 monsters from 1959/1964 which used the General Motors 425 CID 6-71. Interesting enuf, when Deere was beginning the process of engineering higher horsepower tractors in the mid 1950's, they made an experimental high power (for the time) test tractor by taking a Case LA and putting in a 78 HP 3-71 (like Oliver later used in the 99/990). I'm sure the Case boys on the other board would have a field day with that one, Deere using a Case chassis to test high power tractors, because presumably they did not have one heavy enough. I prefer to think that it was because it was too hard to adapt the vertical GM diesel to a chassis designed for a horizontal engine . excuse the long post, just my $0.02.

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F-I-T

04-03-2003 13:56:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to JDGenII_dave_ny, 04-03-2003 09:21:32  
Gen II:

Oooooohhhhh, Dave. All those Delco Generators and starters were GM. Deere used GM alot !

Frank-in-Tallahassee



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JDGenII_dave_ny

04-04-2003 13:05:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 435 GM diesels in reply to F-I-T, 04-03-2003 13:56:20  
oops, forgot about that. meant to say just GM Diesels. :-)



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