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Mike

10-19-2003 19:20:49




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I have a John Deere 2210 23HP Diesel. I'm figuring on using it to blow snow this winter. I've heard talk about engine heaters, but not sure what to get. I'd like to know which is better. To heat the water with (Block heater), or use a magnetic oil pan heater. I'd like to know the pro's & Con's. I looked, and JD sales a block heater kit for $50.00. But, you have to drain the coolent and do some mod's.
Thanks! Mike

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Mike

10-22-2003 19:03:41




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
Thanks for all the combacks on the engine heaters. I was at my John Deere dealer today, and I ask the service manager about heaters. He told me I'd be better off installing the one JD sales. Because it would help on the warranty, plus some of the mag. oil pan heaters just burn the oil, and don't really help the engine block get warm. And some of the tank heaters will sometimes block the flow of water thru the engine block when the engine is running. And the heater hose heaters will make the hose brittle in a short time. He said, it's best for the engine to be warm for a quicker start, and it saves on battery drain, plus with the engine block warm, the oil will flow quicker if you are using the right weight of oil. And he said, for my applacation. If I knew I was going to use it the next morning, just plug the heater in the night before. Cause I keep my tractor inside of a building!

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buickanddeere

10-20-2003 20:14:11




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
The magnetic oil pan heater mounted under the sump helps ensure lubrication asap after startup. Cold engine oil flows from the oil pan to the oil pump like corn syrup straight from the fridge. Toss-up on the external/internal block heaters. What fits and do you want fast heating in 1 hour (external high power). Or do you leave it plugged in 24/7 to be available at a moments notice (internal low wattage)? Some tinker installations of external heaters have disrupted coolant flow and reduced heater output. And caused localized overheating when the engine is running. Proper installations with quality equipment work fine. Where do you get a 2500W heater and what circuit does it get plugged into?

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F-I-T

10-21-2003 11:40:08




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 Re: Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to buickanddeere, 10-20-2003 20:14:11  
G:

It was a JD heater. The aluminum bodied one with "JD" cast in to the top that mounted on the lower right front side, near/under the generator. I may have exagerated on the wattage, not sure of it now, but it liked to have a good 110V circuit or it would pop fuses. It couldl have been as low as 1500 watts for the power it consumed, but 2500 sticks in my mind. It was a large power cord.

We had the dealer install it after the first winter. It had a pulsation to it and would circulate the coolant as it it warmed. It would take it a 2 or 3 hours to get to temp when it was very cold outside. Later, I built a little junction box with a small charger in it tied to the batteries through diodes for backflow protection, plugged the heater into that, then the box had its own cord. That way, whan you plugged in the heater, the batteries got warmed up a bit, too. I tucked in fron of the radiator sort of under the fuel tak and oil cooler so it was out of the way. I built several for the neighbors. It turned out to be a popular gadget.

If it was cold enough to need a heater, you could bet the batteries were going to have low output. Never had to use ether after that.

Frank

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F-I-T

10-20-2003 06:49:20




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
Mike:

Where are you going to park it? Will it be inside a building? Reason I ask is that the more wind that can get to it, the more heater you'll need. A cool breeze will blow quite a bit of heat off the block. Tossing a blanket over the engine will help retain heat from the block or even oil heater.

We had a 2500 watt heater on the 4020D, and it would start down to '0'F if the batteries were fresh. I can't remember trying it lower than that. On many of the coldest days I pulled it with our '70' Diesel which would always start because it had a gasoline powered engine heater (pony motor).

I have an 855 which is in the same HP range aas your 2210, and I live on North Florida, so I don't use a heater. But, on the rare occasions that it has got down to say 15* above, it never has refused to start. I5t has that little nichrome heating element in the air intake that preheats the air until the engine gets going.

Years ago in Ohio, we owned several of the VW Rabbit diesel cars, and never had a block heater on them. Of course they had glow plugs, but I wired a switch from the house to the garage, and plugged in my 80,000 BTU kerosene forced air heater with a thermostat, and when my wife would turn on her hair curlers prior to work, she'd flip the switch, and by the time she walked to the garage, everything was 75*!.

That was the best system I ever had!

Frank

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CJDave

10-20-2003 06:28:56




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
As long as we are on the subject..... I seem to recall someone mentioned that the engine block heater that fits a FORD ESCAPE is the one that fits into the two-cylinder JD engines. We want to get a block heater for our '52 A, does anyone know which one will actually fit?



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Dieselrider

10-20-2003 04:22:46




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
Mike,
A friend of mine, who is a very knowlegable mechanic, explained it to me like this. The very best way to heat the engine in the cold is with the external heater that pumps the coolant water through the block as it heats it so the whole engine gets warm. The second best is the block heater which heats the water inside the block but the only circulation you get is maybe a little gravity circulation from the warmer water rising and the colder water settling. These are the heaters that I have in mine. The worst way to heat the engine is with the pan heater, because it is very hard on the oil viscosity and actually can burn the oil. That is the way it was explained to me, hope this helps.

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MIKE HANLEY

10-19-2003 20:57:40




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
I agree with the below posts. Block heater is the best way to go. Next would be the tank heater. On both our 730D we have both the factory block heaters and the factory oil heaters. I don't know if they work or not. Never found a cord that fits those heaters. We have 2500 watt tank heaters on both of the 730D. We are tapped into the drain plug and at where the heat gage taps into upper casting. The rubber hose going up to the upper casting will get hot enought that you don't want to hang on and the heat gage will read high, And the return hose coming from the drain plug will just be warm. And there is still cold spots on the head. But they will pop right off when you hit the starter.

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jd jack

10-19-2003 20:08:38




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
the block heater is best. If you don't use that get a external tank heater that heats the coolant. I would not recomend a oil pan heater.



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R Marg

10-19-2003 20:07:04




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 Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to Mike, 10-19-2003 19:20:49  
the block heater is the way to go a little more work but in the long run its better first off it keeps the whole engine warm and thats a plus with a D. type tractor gas will fire at any time but not a D as far as the pan type heater all it does is heat the oil that is in the pan the block is still cold so it still takes a lot to get it to start and pan heaters can and do burn your oil with makes it bad as far as your oil

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Jim B in ak

10-20-2003 00:48:10




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 Re: Re: ENGINE HEATERS in reply to R Marg, 10-19-2003 20:07:04  
My 4010 has a tank heater and starts well down to -10F, colder than that I use a stove pipe and a weed burner to worn the oil. I have started it at -40F that way. I put a oil pan heater on it but riped off the wires to it, in the brush, before I got a chance to use it. It's just a matter of "HEAT".

Jim



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