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bill

03-26-2003 23:46:26




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This is going to be schetchy as I was just observing and did not get a lot of info but I could use some opinions.I was looking at a 530 to purchase and I have run this machine before, it performs well. but it starts hard.
I did note the left cylnder is usually dry and the right gets flooded, I noted that the manifold lookr to be in poor condition would a leak on the left side cause the right to get all the fuel resulting in flooding on one side?
This machine should have 12v when cranking and 6v when running on the coil right? if IT were getting 6v all the time would that be a hard starting issue? I should be able to read this on a hand held meter while cranking right?

Can you tell me where she should be timed at?

I would like to resolve this starting issue before I decide to buy her and then I'll get my manuals and all. Till then I thougt a timing check would be in order.

also was wondering about electronic ignition for this old girl is that a good idea for the money? or not and could you recommend a supplier?

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Clooney

03-27-2003 05:56:22




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 Re: hard starting 530 in reply to bill, 03-26-2003 23:46:26  

Bill, there could be any number of reasons the L/H cylinder is dry & the R/H is wet. From a carb problem, to a weak ignition system, to a compression problem, to a valve problem, to no problem at all.

~If it runs good once started that usually means the problem isn�t serious & could be as easy as a choke or carb adjustment problem. A leaky manifold could be the problem but that usually causes a runability problem also.

~You are correct in thinking that the 530 has by-pass starting, & while that could be the problem in most cases it isn�t. Usually when the by-pass system fails it will start but won�t run. In rare cases the by-pass wire from the starting circuit will fail & can cause low coil voltage during cranking. If you have a volt meter you can measure the coil�s supply power side & it should be around 6-7.5 volts while running & be above 10 volts while cranking.

~On the timing�the RUNNING timing is 20� at fast idle. You can check that by using a timing light. Just remove the timing hole cover [the little cover on the top rear of the flywheel cover], then hook up your timing light to the L/H plug wire & run the engine at fast idle [wide open throttle] , then point the timing light into the little hole & you should see 20� btdc. If it isn�t correct, just loosen the distributor & turn it until you see 20� btdc centered in the timing hole. If you don�t have a timing light you can set it statically by removing the L/H spark plug, then turning the flywheel until the L/H cylinder comes up on compression & the TDC mark on the flywheel lines up in the center of the timing hole, then loosen the distributor & turn it a little clock wise, then install the removed spark plug in the L/H plug wire & lay it on the block, then turn the ignition switch on, then slowly turn the distributor in the counter clock wise direction until you see a spark on that L/H spark plug, then tighten the distributor down.

~That by-pass ignition system on the 520-530 is an excellent system & I doubt you will see any gain by spending the money on an electronic ignition system. I have more than a few old Deere tractors with that by-pass ignition system & as long as the points are in good shape & not oxidized they will all start within a couple of revolutions even after being stored all winter.

~As long as you are going to be allowed to work on that tractor before buying it you should probably run a compression test on it as that will tell you more than doing any ignition work. You didn�t tell us if the tractor is an all-fuel or gas tractor but if a gasoline burner the hot compression should be 140+ on each side. If it�s low, or more than 10 psi different from side to side you might want to make a slightly lower offer as it is probably in need of engine work.

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John T

03-27-2003 05:48:24




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 Re: hard starting 530 in reply to bill, 03-26-2003 23:46:26  
Bill, I only have one general purpose wirign diagram for the 530, but if yours is like my diagram, you are correct in that the ignition system utilizes a ballast resistor and a startign by pass circuit so the coil receives the full 12 volts at cranking (ballast is essentially by passed by starter switch) but then only 6 volts at running, as its a 6 volt coil. However, due to battery voltage drop at cranking, the coil wont see quite a full 12 volts then. The coil normally receives its power from the ignition switch where its output is then in series with the voltage dropping ballast resistor before going to the coil. However, when the start switch button is depresed, a wire from it goes to the coil side of the ballast so the coil receives full battery voltage durign engine cranking. If the start button switch is defective or a wire is missing such that the coil doesnt see full battery voltage at starting, the engine may not start quite as well, but in a decent tuned engine at warmer ambient temperatures, they still start pretty well regardless is my experience. Its when the engine is marginal and temperatures cold that an inoperative ballast by pass circuit becomes more of a problem. An easy way to check the ballast and start switch button by pass would be to disconnect from the start push button switch the wire that operates the starter motor solenoid (so engine wont crank) but leave intact the ballast wire, and then when you depres it with a voltmeter on the coil with ignition switch on, it should read 12 volts on the coil when its down, but only about 6 when its not.

You might want to check the condition of the plug wires and plugs and that the distributor cap is clean and free of dirt oil or cracks and carbon paths while youre at it. If the plugs are fouled or carboned up bad or have any heavy black residue you might try a new set. Similarlily, inspect the points for gap setting and if they are badly pitted or burned or carboned up, replace them also.

A leaking manifold can cause a severe vacuum leak causing a hard start problem, but there are many other possible causes such as carburetion or ignition.

I will try and e mail you the wiring diagram I have, but go ahead and check your plugs and wires and points and then do the troubleshootign method described above to insure if the ballast by pass system is working and post back what you find. If both the plugs are producing a good blue spark, even if the ballast by pass is inoperative, I strongly suspect you may have some timing or carburetion or manifold leak problems causing hard starting.

Good Luck n God Bless the USA

Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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ChuckW

03-27-2003 04:00:37




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 Re: hard starting 530 in reply to bill, 03-26-2003 23:46:26  
In my opinion electronic ignition is the way to go....got mine at Genessee electronics for $125.00 sounds like a carburator/manifold problem. The wiring system picks up 12 volts on starting and 6 volts on running, should have a resistor block. If you go electronic this will not be needed. Also timing is 20 degrees advanced on high idle. Same with electronic installed. Question why you would solve problems prior to purchase. Sounds like you'll be negotiating with yourself on that basis.

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