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Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist?

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AlbertoV05

03-22-2003 22:22:25




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I'd like to get a barge wagon with a hoist to use with my Model 60. Everything I've seen at farm sales uses a one-way cylinder. My question is does my 60's Powertrol system have enough fluid to raise the cylinder all the way?
Thanks in advance!

Al in Iowa




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Heat Houser

03-24-2003 20:35:33




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
FYI, the formula for volume is pi X r squared X the length of stroke. pi is 3.1416.
If all your measurements are in inches, you will get cubic inches. Divide by 231 to get gallons of oil. I don't know how many gallons a 60 holds in the power trol.
good luck



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Alvin NE WI

03-23-2003 18:56:24




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
I don't know anything about the hydraulic system on a 60 but is there a place for a second hose connection? If there is you can use the hydraulic ram on the box for extra oil stroage capacity. Just fill the non-pressure side with your oil and run another hose to your pump return.



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MPK

03-23-2003 18:22:47




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
Yes, your 60 should work ok. I used a model A for that a long time and it worked fine.



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Paul from MI

03-23-2003 17:06:12




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
Alberto,
Just a suggestion. If you add a reservoir to your powertrol, you will find leaks at the ends of the powerlift rockshafts. They are not sealed. I use my A with a loader and needed more capacity to get full lift. Of course the reservoir must be higher than the powertrol unit to work. I made two plates about 1/2" thick that just fit over the ends of the rockshafts, nothing fancy, just cut them out with a torch. Then I drilled and tapped them for a 1/4-20 set screw to hold them in place on the shafts. I used some foam gasket liberally coated with permatex and compressed between the ends of the rockshaft housing and the plates. It stopped almost all of the leaks, and to totally stop it I always stop the tractor with the loader raised to lower the oil level in the resevoir. Of course you can't use the rockshaft with my set-up installed, but it works for me. Good luck, I wished for a dump hoist every day all fall when I was a kid. It sure would have beat a #14 grain scoop.
Paul

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EugeneSWIA

03-23-2003 13:22:57




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
A 60 will pick up most any reasonable load on a 6+10 or 6+12 box. But you won't raise it completly with out an aditional hyd oil resevoir. On a smaller wagon you can over fill the tractor and it will do it,but then oil will seep out around the rockshaft. I don't see any reason for the smart aleck remarks. Gene



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AlbertoV05

03-23-2003 16:41:41




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to EugeneSWIA, 03-23-2003 13:22:57  
Gene,
Thanks for the tip; I appreciate it!
Please note that it was not me who has some kind of "axe to grind"?
Thanks again!

Al in Iowa



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Yes, it does!!

03-23-2003 05:58:37




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
Your Powr-Trol has more than enough capacity--which Mr. Know-it-all below should know.



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Dr.EVIL

03-23-2003 05:54:15




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
A quart of oil contains 57-3/4 cubic inches of volume; Gallon is 231 ci. I can't remember what a JD 60 uses for the hyd. res. but I bet it holds enough to raise a wagon hoist all the way. Probably not a bad idea to flush the cyl. on the hoist out when You get it. Whatever crud is in the cyl. will be in Your tractor's hyd. system after the first time You raise the hoist.



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MIKE HANLEY

03-22-2003 22:54:05




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 Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-22-2003 22:22:25  
A 2" cylinder will have a face of 3.142 sq in. A 2 1/2" will have a face of 4.909 sq in A 3" will have a face of 8.296 sq in A 4" will have a face of 12.566 sq in. A 5" will have a face of 19.635 sq in A 6" will have a face of 28.274 sq in

Times the face of the cylinder by the lenght of the stroke and that will give you the capasity of the cylinder in total cu in. Do the math of how many cu in that is in a quart of oil (I don't have a quart of oil on the place just 2 1/2 gals.) so you'll have to do the math here. That will tell you how much oil the cylinder holds. Then look at the qt capasity of the power trol. If you are short I would change out the single acting with a double acting, then you are using the other end of the cylinder as storage. You would be surprized on how cheep a 24" or a 36" cylinder is compared to a standard 8" cylinder

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MIKE HANLEY

03-22-2003 23:43:01




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic capacity needed to operate one-way cylinder on wagon hoist? in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 03-22-2003 22:54:05  
Take a qt can of oil and mesure across the top and use the sq in faces as in the above post times the lenght of the can and that will tell how many cu inchs in a Qt can.



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