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Electrical issues on MT

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tom

03-22-2003 06:27:52




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Hey Guys,

I am making the full sweep on the electronics of this MT. After replaing the coil, the Ammeter, all the wiring and rebuilding the ign switch, my battery is now not charging...I charged the 6V battery to full, disconnected the black(A)& White(F) wires from the generator, started the tractor, and placed a screw-diver on the (A) pole of the generator and barely touched the generator housing to get a spark/arc, nothing...repeated for the other (F) pole on the generator...nothing again...this test took 30 seconds. Connected the wires back, started her again and ran her for 5 minutes. Turned off, then re-attached the battery charger and the current reading was 65%+ less than when just fully charged. If this is a generator problem, can I rebuild it and is there a web-site and/or manual to detail the process? If this could be the cut-out-relay or something else, just let me know what I need to do and I will test and post back. If you need any further info, please inquire and I will post back.

Thanks in advance, tom

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Clooney

03-22-2003 07:47:25




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 Re: electrical issues on MT in reply to tom, 03-22-2003 06:27:52  
Tom, the usual cause of a generator not charging is stuck generator brushes, dirty commutator or broken wires, & all those things are easily repaired yourself. [just disassemble & clean the commutator & free up the brushes] ~We really need to know if you still have the original cut-out relay [2-wires & small rectangular cover], or it has been converted to a voltage regulator system [3 wires & more of a square cover].
~If it has a 3 brush generator [it should] move the 3rd [movable] brush in the direction the generator turns as far as you can.
~In either case you can do a basic generator test while on the tractor...
~Start with a quick check by running at WOT & shorting the generator [F] post [smaller of the two] to ground, if it charges then you have a broken [F] wire between the generator & headlight switch [or regulator if regulator equipped] , or a bad regulator ground or faulty regulator [if regulator equipped],,,,, then with the [F] post still grounded jump the [GEN] terminal at the cut-out to the [BAT] terminal at the cut-out, if it charges then you have a bad cut-out relay,,,,,If still no charge, shut the tractor off & remove both wires & the belt from the generator then jump battery power from the [BAT] terminal on the starter to the [A] post on the generator, {it should motor} with it motoring short the [F] post to ground, it should still motor but slow down. If it doesn't motor you have generator problems like stuck brushes, dirty commutator, open in a wire, or open or shorted armature. If it motors & doesn't slow down you have field problems like stuck field brush, or open in field circuit.
~If you have a voltmeter place the leads across the battery posts & you should show 7+ volts with it running at fast idle if it's charging correctly [head light switch on]
~The wire between the light switch & generator [F] post must be good & that wire should go to ground through that resistor on the light switch [lights off] & go directly to ground [lights on]..
~The usual cause of a functioning generator quitting to charge is stuck brushes or dirty commutator.

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tom

03-22-2003 08:01:41




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 Re: Re: electrical issues on MT in reply to Clooney , 03-22-2003 07:47:25  
Clooney,

To answer your question, I no doubt still have the orig. Delco/remy cut-out-relay, with two wires as indicated in the diagram of the M series wiring you sent me.

thanks, tom



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Clooney

03-22-2003 08:29:30




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 Re: Re: Re: electrical issues on MT in reply to tom, 03-22-2003 08:01:41  
Tom, OK, then basically put your voltmeter across the battery posts & see if you have 7+ volts at wide open throttle [if so it's charging]
~Then make sure the movable brush is adjusted for max charge [at least until you verify the generator is working]
~Then [with engine off] make sure you have battery voltage to the [BAT] post on the cut-out relay [if not find out why]
~Then run it at fast idle & short the [F] post on the generator to the generator case [it should charge if the generator is good] ~If it doesn't, then leave the [F] post grounded & jump the [GEN] to the [BAT] at the cut-out relay [it should show a charge then, if it doesn't suspect an open in the wire from the generator [A] post to the cut-out [GEN] terminal, or a faulty generator..... ....

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