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vinny

03-09-2003 11:39:12




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Tel me what happens when plus and minus are reversed on coil iginition system, BIG THANKS;;




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John T

03-09-2003 12:50:47




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 Re: coil reverse in reply to vinny, 03-09-2003 11:39:12  
Vinny, most of them will still work, but on some, you will impart slightly less spark energy across the plug gap if wired wrong, due to transfer and possible heat losses and efficiency factors. I once had an electrical article describing this very topic, but cant locate it and am running on old memory cells here lol. The coil(s) have a winding direction and physical orientation intended to maximize mutual magnetic coupling between primary and secondary, and the magnetic field (N and S) is dependant upon the current direction, all of which determines its design and those + and - terminal locations.

If its a non internally ballasted coil like most original 6 volt coils and the 12 volt coils designed for an external ballast, I would wire them to correspond with your tractors battery polarity: ie on a pos grnd, battery power to - and + to ground via the distributors points. On a neg grnd, + to battery power and - to ground via the distributor and its points.

Clooney and I e mailed each other about this and agreed since we dont know physically where the ballast is located (wired) on those internally ballasted coils, we wouldnt want to change their wirign from its factory location.

Hope this helps. God Bless USA Ol John T Nordhoff

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Clooney

03-09-2003 12:16:00




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 Re: coil reverse in reply to vinny, 03-09-2003 11:39:12  
Vinny, nothing drastic. The spark polarity is just backwards & the spark has a harder time jumping from the ground electrode to the smaller center electrode. On a low KV ignition system like the old 2-cylinder Deere's a reverse polarity spark can cause a lower intensity spark. On higher KV output systems like modern automobiles use nothing will be lost, & in fact most new cars & trucks fire every other spark plug at reverse polarity. Even the Deere pony ignition system fires every other spark plug at reverse polarity.

~Different types of ignition coils are effected differently by reverse polarity. Most 6 volt coils perform better when the coil's primary side is wired with the same polarity as the battery [ie. positive ground battery should have the positive terminal of the ign coil going to the points]....Most 12 volt externally resisted coils [pretty close to a 6 volt coil] act the same way as the 6 volt coil....On an internally resisted 12 volt coil the coil polarity should probably be kept the same as the coil is built for regardless of the battery's polarity due to not wanting the internal ballast resistor to end up between the coil & distributor points.

~So, if possible try to keep the coil's primary polarity the same as the battery ground [+ battery ground = + coil to distributor points]. Exception being an internally resisted 12 volt coil should be run with the polarity is was built to run at. {Deere 12 volt internally resisted coil = positive to points -- Auto parts internally resisted 12 volt coil = negative to points}.....

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vinny

03-09-2003 15:01:18




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 Re: Re: coil reverse in reply to Clooney, 03-09-2003 12:16:00  
I guess I never stopped to think about the positive ground aspect, anyway I was working on 46 G with 12 volt neg ground that has distributor coil ignition, Well the old boy I bought it from got it going and I tell you it ran lousy, He had it overhauled, carb too; well I got it home it didnt want to start when it did it would spit and backfire terrible,It drove me nuts, I replaced plugs, wires, cap, played with the points, and the carb no luck, then and by only accident I noticed the coil plus and minus, I reversed them and whoopeee it runs great, does that make sense; Thank you;; Vinny

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Clooney

03-09-2003 15:57:37




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 Re: Re: Re: coil reverse in reply to vinny, 03-09-2003 15:01:18  
Vinny, while the polarity of the coil can make difference in the spark it's hard to believe a simple coil polarity reversal would make it run as bad as you said it did.
~It's possible you had a poor connection, or one of the coil's primary wires was touching the coil case. If you are using a 12 volt internally resisted coil it would make more of a difference if the polarity was reversed. Are there any numbers or writing on the coil's case stating the voltage & if it needs an external resistor, or if it's internally resisted?
~If the coil is a 6 volt, or needs an external resistor & you are running it on 12 volts it might have been overheating & acting up. If that is the case the problem will probably return at future date.

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John T

03-09-2003 15:15:24




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 Re: Re: Re: coil reverse in reply to vinny, 03-09-2003 15:01:18  
Vinny, per the above posts, yes it makes a difference if wired in reverse, but it usually dont make that "drastic" of a difference. Maybe there were other factors that got changed??? or maybe you have one of those internally ballasted resistors mentioned above in which case we were thinking if the resistor is between the coil and condensor, it absorbs some of the energy and you dont get as much spark energy as if it were on the other (high) side of the coil as they are normally wired. Whats the DC resistance of the coil you are using now??? If 3 or over, it may well be an internally ballasted which might explain such a drastic difference in wiring polarity. Anyway, dont fix it no more now if it aint broke lol. John T

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Vinny

03-09-2003 15:47:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: coil reverse in reply to John T, 03-09-2003 15:15:24  
One more thing I forgot to mention was the coil before I changed it was quite warm to the touch, and now is cool, anyway like you say if it aint broke;; so we are not going to tempt fate; Thanks for trying to educate a mind -less wonder Vinny



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John T

03-09-2003 16:41:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: coil reverse in reply to Vinny, 03-09-2003 15:47:13  
Vinny, theres nothing in reversign its polarity which should have affected its current draw and resultant heat characteristics (even if it can affect spark energy) regardless if its internal ballasted or not. Have you let it run a long time now same as before to see if it eventually heats up????Perhaps there was some sort of short like clooney was talking about which got fixed when you re wired it to its terminals??? A short could also account for a weak spark regardless of wiring polarity. Well, so long as shes okay now, carry on I guess. If its not the right voltage coil or requires a ballast and you have none, a problem will eventually rear its ugly head as higher temperatures or premature point burn up or total failure. John T

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