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chris k

03-04-2003 07:58:23




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I just bought an open station 4430 with a synchro tranny i'm going to do some farming with it but would also like to pull it we have a 5mph farm stock class with 20.8-38 tire limit and 3000rpm was wondering how much H.P. I could safley turn and pull in 4 or 5 gear and be competitive. THANKS A BUNCH.




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will

03-04-2003 21:27:57




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 Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to chris k, 03-04-2003 07:58:23  
The other guy seem to have anwsered your question quite well, but We had a 4630 which I am fairly sure has the exact same 404 as your 4430 plus an intercooler. We bought it in 1980 or so with about 1000 hours on it. My grandad said it used too much fuel, and didnt have any bottom end. They took it to the JD dealer. They put it on the water dyno. They came up with 210 horsepower. They didnt believe it, and calibrated their dyno for the same result. 210 horsepower. My grandad said he would just buy a bigger disc, so he did. It would spin the cast duals filled with water in 5th gear quite well. We moved right along in the field It made it to a hair over 8000 hours with only 1 set of injectors, a water pump, starter, a few alternators, a set of brakes, a turbo (possibly due to high exhaust heat), and a lot of fuel. We filled up in the morning, and filled up again at lunch. Somtimes we would take an early lunch and quit early depending on how much fuel we used. The tractor only had the 4 post roll guard. The floorboard, while pulling hard became hot enough to melt my shoes. My grandad gave me a piece of plywood and told me to get back to work. I remember hiding behind the width of the dash to keep the heat of the engine off of me while discing wheat stubble in July. IT WAS HOT!!! I wish a million times I had a picture of the amount of black smoke produced while turning around at the end of the field, dropping that AMCO disc and pushing that throttle all the way up. The end of the motor was a rod bearing. It started pecking at about 7900 hours, and progressivley got worse. I would never tell anyone to turn up a motor to this extent, but I have proof that it will take it, and hold together. They are very good tractors despite their hard starting. Our 4630 was always plugged up in the winter and starting fluid was a must even on the fourth of July.

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G-MAN

03-05-2003 05:18:49




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 Re: Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to will, 03-04-2003 21:27:57  
You apparently had an exceptional 4630. I can tell you from experience (replacing many head gaskets leaking oil at the RH rear corner) that most 404s AND the earlier 466s will take out the head gasket when overfueled and pulled that hard. Deere fought that problem for a while with various gasket designs, bolt torquing sequences and so forth, and the problem was pretty much solved completely on the later 6076 and the 6081 engine. Your grandpa was right about the lack of bottom end power. The 404 is pretty high-strung in the 4630, and the torque curve is basically a straight line down to nothing. It doesn't surprise me that a rod bearing eventually failed in that tractor. It was never designed to run like that for that long of a time period. A 4640 or 4840 would have been a better choice in 1980, and probably would have burned less fuel than that wrapped-out 4630, along with having a much stouter torque curve, but you can't complain about 8000 hours of hard work out of a 4630 at any rate.

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John Jenkins

03-05-2003 07:18:05




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 Re: Re: Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to G-MAN, 03-05-2003 05:18:49  
I agree G-Man. We had a 4630 and a 4430 in the mid 70�s and the 4430 would pull almost what the 4630 would. We pulled 6-14s with the 4630 and 5-16s with the 4430 in thick Alabama clay soil. Although there was a minimal difference in the plows, about every 8 rounds, the 4630 would have to pull over and let the 4430 go past him! One day the 4430 driver, Willie, went over a crest in the field pulling those 5-16s and about the time he got leveled back out, the transmission housing broke clean in two on the left side where the axle housing bolts up. Fortunately, the tractor was still under warranty. Dad tells me that a lot of the early 4430�s had transmission and axle problems because they had too much �juice�. I know one thing, the 4440 we have now makes both of those old ones look like dogs. Although we haven�t pulled a bottom plow in 17-18 years, we�ve had 7-14s hooked to her before and she�d walk the dog in C-1. I �ve got some pictures of her up on farmphoto.com if you�d like to take a look.
Later,
John

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G-MAN

03-05-2003 07:47:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to John Jenkins, 03-05-2003 07:18:05  
There certainly isn't anything wrong with the 30 series. They were state of the art when introduced, and the 40 series eliminated any problems they had. One of my personal favorite tractors is the 4440. They're just a better tractor all the way around than the 4430 is. Bigger engine, more power and everything else. I'd love to have a 4440 open station or Roll-Gard tractor. Just for kicks I'd find a narrow-front steering-motor to swap in and put a narrow-front on for pulling. That would definitely be something to see and a blast to drive - especially with a P-series Bosch pump, a 6076 head and turbo, and about 250 horses (just for pulls, lol).

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John Jenkins

03-06-2003 11:31:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to G-MAN, 03-05-2003 07:47:10  
That would be something to see G-Man! Our 4440 and 4430 are 4-posters and both of our 6030s are 2-posters. The cabbed tractors of the modles sure do seem to be a lot more common...even in Alabama.
Take care,
John



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G-MAN

03-04-2003 10:33:51




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 Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to chris k, 03-04-2003 07:58:23  
You can get 200 horsepower out of a stock 4430 if you turn the screw far enough, but you're not going to keep head gaskets in it for very long. It would probably stay together for pulls, but you'll have to turn it back down before going back to farming. I've seen a stock one turn 240 on the dyno, and had to turn the screw three full turns to get it back down to 145. How strict are they about "stock" at the farm stock pulls in your area? Your best bet would be to swap in a 466 cubic inch engine, if they'll let you. A 6076 out of a 4555 would make a darn good enging for a 4430, and it will handle much more horsepower than your stock 6404. The 404 is a good engine, but they don't have much of a torque curve, and pretty much as soon as they come down past rated RPM, you lose power in a hurry. A 6466/6076 has far more lugging ability and is a better engine all the way around. You mention a 5mph class, so traction and proper weighting is going to get you farther than bunches of horsepower will, so you may be just fine at 160 horsepower or so. What are the weight classes you'll be in?

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chris k

03-04-2003 10:43:58




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 Re: Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to G-MAN, 03-04-2003 10:33:51  
thanks GMAN i'll be pulling 11500-15000# .



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G-MAN

03-04-2003 10:51:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 4430 farm stock in reply to chris k, 03-04-2003 10:43:58  
I'd take it to a shop with a dyno and turn it up to about 175 or so, which should be fine if your engine is in good shape. You won't need a ton of horsepower if you can't go over 5mph, so focus on maximizing your traction and balance. I've seen more than a couple "farm stock" tractors with more horsepower than they could put to the ground, and they usually get beat by a true stock tractor driven by a smarter puller.

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