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john n

03-01-2003 20:37:45




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need help installing fan shaft on 1950 jd b. is it necessary to install shim plates when installing shaft into governer gear box to allow for backlash on pinion gear? if so what should backlash be? any help is greatly appreciated. thanks to clooney & all the other guys who help out so much




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Larry E

03-02-2003 18:28:32




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 Re: installing fan shaft in reply to john n, 03-01-2003 20:37:45  

Backlash is 1/2 inch at end of fan blades,by moving fan left and right.



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leon - dumb question

03-02-2003 16:32:20




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 Re: installing fan shaft in reply to john n, 03-01-2003 20:37:45  
Isn't there a split pulley available for clamping on the fan shaft so that it that can be installed without taking the fan off?



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Clooney

03-02-2003 16:47:28




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 Re: Re: installing fan shaft in reply to leon - dumb question, 03-02-2003 16:32:20  
Leon, yes there is. But as far as I know it's only for the exposed fan shafts like the "D". The ones just behind the fan are spline driven from the fan shaft & must be slid on before the fan goes on.



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John T

03-02-2003 16:42:57




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 Re: Re: installing fan shaft in reply to leon - dumb question, 03-02-2003 16:32:20  
Good Evening Leon, No, theres no such thing as a dumb question, only dumb answers sometimes lol. Anyway, what we took the question to mean (and what I think he meant) involved removing the entire fan shaft assembly out of the governor housing NOT anything to do with the fan pulley out there on the end. Take Care

Ol John T



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John T

03-02-2003 06:55:56




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 Re: installing fan shaft in reply to john n, 03-01-2003 20:37:45  
Hey there John, Well to begin with, if youre replacing the old fan shaft and havent done any other changes, and it wasnt noisy before nor the fan had too much backlash, you would want to install the same gaskets/shims that it had when you tore it down. If it had too much backlash and you try and compensate by ONLY removing fan hub shims, but NOT correspondingly adjusting the bearign end cap shims (to get proper heel and gear mesh), then you may end up with a bad mis match and bevel gear whine.

Normally, if youre starting from scratch, the gear mesh and heel to heel and backlash are adjusted by BOTH the number of shim gaskets between the fan shaft hub AND the gasket/shims under the bearing end cap. Those two distances/clearances determine the bevel gears locations to achieve proper mesh and backlash.

Now, if you dont want to remove the governor to try and set the proper bevel gear mesh, you can try and add or remove the gasket/shims under the fan shaft hub until you achieve the proper shaft backlash, (it has to have play, but no more than needed) and hope for the best. If the mesh isnt right or too much backlash, youre gonna end up with a noisy whiney governor. If when youre done, the fan can turn bac n forth 3/8 to 5/8 inch or so, backlash isnt too bad, but that dont necessarily say the gear mesh is correct.

If you decide to remove the governor so you can lay it out and mesh the bevel gears, dont forget to remove that oil line up underneath and to get it in time when you reinstall it.

If you want to replace either of the bevel gears (fan shaft or governor shaft) they need to be a matched set (new or used) Its hard to ever match two different gear sets.

I hope this helps, post back any more questions and myself or others will try n help.

Good Luck n God Bless Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Clooney

03-02-2003 05:58:25




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 Re: installing fan shaft in reply to john n, 03-01-2003 20:37:45  
John, I wish I could give you an exact answer.
~More than likely you will need to add shims [gaskets] between the rear of the fan tube & front of the governor but that depends on bearing wear, gear & shaft machining & other variables.
~The easy way out is to just use the original shims, but to do it correctly you will need to pull the governor to look & feel for the proper gear heel match up. [the gear heels must be lined up when the gears are at the proper back lash].
~If you don't get the gear mesh set correctly there is a good chance the gears will self destruct after some usage. At the very least they will be noisy.
~If you don't want to pull the governor & don't have the old shims [gaskets] you can try just adding gaskets [shims] until you have about 1-2" of rotational fan blade tip freeplay when assembled. At least the gears won't be too tight that way but you still wont know exactly where the heel match is set.....

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john n

03-02-2003 18:38:59




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 Re: Re: installing fan shaft in reply to Clooney, 03-02-2003 05:58:25  
thanks for the info john t & clooney on the fan shaft install. the tractor was taken apart about 25 years ago & i was not old enough to be a part of taking it apart (can faintly remember it running). anyway the governer was taken off at that time also. with the info you gave me it should not be a problem installing the shaft into the governer but i whanted to know if one of you guys could tell me how to time the governer to the drive gear. i have checked both gears pretty well and couldn't find any allignment marks on either gear. thanks again

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John T

03-02-2003 19:51:22




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 Re: Re: Re: installing fan shaft in reply to john n, 03-02-2003 18:38:59  
You're welcome there John, There arent any timing marks to worry about. Also, the governor gear turns at the same RPM and direction as the flywheel, so assuming the flywheel is in time on its right spline, when that Left Hand Impulse Mark is in the 3 O Clock position and lined up with that mark on the tractors side, install the governor gear (mate with cam gear) so that the female drive cog slot (under/behind where the mag fits, it drives the mag) in the end of the governor shaft is flat horizontal. Then, if the mag is installed in that slot, its either right or 180 off. It came from the factory such that when the left hand cylinder was at TDC on its Compression Power Stroke, and the LH Impulse mark on the flywheel was at 3 O Clock, the mag just then snaped over to fire the first leading rotor brush tip out the mags top plug terminal.

Take care Ol John T

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Clooney

03-02-2003 18:46:00




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 Re: Re: Re: installing fan shaft in reply to john n, 03-02-2003 18:38:59  
John, don't worry about alignment marks. Just install the flywheel on the crankshaft correctly, then turn the flywheel until the L/H impulse mark is lined up with the case mark [at 3 o'clock behind the flywheel], then install the governor so the mag drive notches are running fore/aft [parallel with the ground].



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