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How much is too much out the ventilator pipe?

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AlbertoV05

03-01-2003 18:02:19




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Is it normal to always have a bit of water vapor coming out the ventilator pipe while underway; especially in winter? I know "a bit" is not a real scientific term, but it's not visible unless you get a trouble light under the tractor and shine it up towards the pipe.
Just changed the oil and it was not milky, so I don't think I'm loosing the head gasket. (Darn A's and 60's are notorious for that though!)
Can't really tell if I'm getting oil in the cooling system as I just added 2 bottles of Bars Leak's in her. Before I added it there was NO evidence of oil floating in the fresh antifreeze I installed one month ago. I take her out nearly every day for about one hour or so.
I'm probably being paranoid because she really doesn't get worked this time of the year; and with a 160 degree thermostat she doesn't even see 170 degrees when I'm just puttering around.
I pulled the valve rocker assembly and made sure all the head bolts were torqued to 150 - they were.
Would running a cooler range spark plug cause more water vapor discharge out the ventilator pipe? I recently changed from AC C88-L's to C86's.
Any advice would be appreciated!

Al in Iowa

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Clooney

03-02-2003 08:03:28




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 Re: How much is too much out the ventilator pipe? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-01-2003 18:02:19  
Al, are you sure it's water vapor? In most cases on the old Deere's it's a little combustion blow by. If you have a little later model Deere that uses a crankcase ventilator pump on the fan shaft the air coming out of that crankcase vent tube is normal. The vent pump is there to push crankcase moisture & blow-by products out of the crankcase.
~Take the tractor out & work it a while to burn the moisture out of that big cold crankcase & then see what comes out of that vent tube. If the moisture/smoke goes away after a good workout you just had combustion moisture, or condensation in the crankcase. If it still has something coming out of the crankcase other than fresh air you probably have a little blow by.
~If you have a fanshaft vent pump make sure there isn't any water in the air cleaner cup, if there is water in there it could be pulled into the crankcase by the pump.
~As a rule the plug heat range doesn't have any effect on crankcase moisture as long as there isn't any misfiring. If the colder plugs are sooting up & misfiring then they could easily contribute to crankcase smoke & moisture.....

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AlbertoV05

03-02-2003 12:39:26




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 Re: Re: How much is too much out the ventilator pipe? in reply to Clooney, 03-02-2003 08:03:28  
Thanks Clooney!
To answer your question: No, I'm not certain it's not blow-by, but the motor doesn't have 1,000 hours on it after a complete overhaul done by the local Deere dealer. If I hold a clean paper towel under the ventilator pipe for a minute or so it doesn't even get damp enough to show a stain (water or otherwise). The paper towel doesn't smell like gas, exhaust, oil or antifreeze; so I'm assuming it's water.
I think you're right about needing to get that 8 quarts of oil WARM in that big iron crankcase. I just changed the oil in the crankcase and air cleaner (used Quaker State 10W-30) and saw no signs of water in the crankcase or in the air cleaner. Nor did I see any sign of oil in the radiator.
Maybe finding a nice size log to hook on to and drag around a bit would be a good idea to get her good and warm.
I have no misfiring or backfiring problems, though I have the idle screws turned out about 4 or 5 turns (Model 60 with dual carb) to get the best idle out of her. (Just had the carb overhauled by Doug Burrey).
No smoke of any color out the stack after she's warm. Get a little steam out of the straight pipe exhaust for the first 2 minutes after starting her up when it's cold out but I'd think that's to be expected.
The C-86's I went to seem to be working well; I haven't pulled them lately to see how they look though.
Thanks again for your thoughts!

Al in Iowa

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John T

03-02-2003 07:24:28




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 Re: How much is too much out the ventilator pipe? in reply to AlbertoV05, 03-01-2003 18:02:19  
Mornin there VO, I cant blame you one darn bit, I like thigns to be right and same as you, wonder about things like youre asking about.

Basically, if the tractor is not gettign rid of coolant, theres no coolant geting into the oil, no oil getting into the coolant, the smoke out the stack isnt white or steamy looking after shes good and warm, and shes not overheating, I dont think a "bit" of vapor you mentioned is too much to worry about, unless and until other symptoms appear. Condensation in this type of changing weather can collect and take a while to dry out you know. Especially, in cold damp atmospheric conditions when shes not warmed up and the moisture all dried out.

As far as the plugs heat range question, the heat range, determined by its reach, location in combustion chamber, mass and insulating quality etc. as to how well heat is retained or dissipated away, that will affect the operatign temp of the plug, but shouldnt effect any water vapor out the vent tube in changing from an 88 to an 86.

Keep us posted though,

and Good Luck. Ol John T

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AlbertoV05

03-02-2003 07:47:54




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 Re: Re: How much is too much out the ventilator pipe? in reply to John T, 03-02-2003 07:24:28  
Thanks, John T! As always I appreciate your advice : )
I think I may do the old "cardboard over the radiator" trick to get her warmed up a bit more. Hard to get her warm at all this time of year when the wind chill is below zero!

Al in Iowa



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