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4020 Loader or Bobcat

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eb77

02-25-2003 20:42:47




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Thinking of putting a loader on my 69' 4020 syncro, but not sure I want to spend 4K since the front axle is not very heavy on the 4020. Also need a post hole digger. I've heard that a Bobcat makes more sense in earthwork and hydraulic posthole diggers (better down force). A used Bobcat is not a whole lot more than the loader.




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Rodney A. Johnson

02-26-2003 08:08:52




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 Re: 4020 Loader or Bobcat in reply to eb77, 02-25-2003 20:42:47  
It would be extremely unfair to compare a $4K loader with a $4K skidloader. Most skidloaders that go for $4K are too small to compete with any loader, or too wore out to be used very hard without a lot of work.

I bought a loader for my JD3010D first. Was a JD46A and I got screwed because the two cylinders for the bucket were shot (my fault for not seeing it work before buying). I put new cylinders on and have been fairly happy with the loader since...just not as good a deal as I first thought it was going to be.

A couple of years later I bought a Gehl 4500 skidloader with a little over 3000 hours for $4K. It has a lift capacity of 1100#s. The 46A can lift at least 1400#s and I paid about $1400 after all the repairs and new cylinders.

Last summer I moved over 200 cubic yards of dirt with the skidloader. The first 100 was hard digging...semi-moist red clay in some spots, but mostly just semi-moist black dirt. I didn't push the machine hard, and got by on 2 gallons of gas an hour (with a quart of oil for every 8 hours of hard work). I could never have done the same with the loader due to the conditions I had to work in.

But, unloading heavy items from a trailer requires the loader. And hauling long distances with the loader is much quicker.

As to which is faster than which when it comes to loading, it really depends upon the speed of the tractor and the skidloader plus the size of the buckets. Of course a loader is going to be faster if the bucket can hold twice the skidloaders capacity. However, if you have the same size bucket on the loader as the skidloader, I'd be surprised if the loader could keep up.

If you go with a loader, go with one that you can hook up and unhook in a short time. That way you don't tie your tractor up with a loader all the time (really cuts down on getting around in tight spots...plus it really puts strain on your front end...even when empty).

If you go with a skidloader, buying one at $4K isn't likely to be what you want...may be in for fixing...course if you don't mind then go for it. Personally the brand I'd buy in the $4K range would be the Gehl. They are pretty decent machines, and at times I think they are under priced. If you are willing to spend more, $8K will get you a fairly decent Bobcat or Gehl, but still will be machines in the 1000 - 1500# lift category. You'll need to jump to $12K or higher to get a machine with some decent lift capacity and be in reasonable shape.

I've loaded manure with both skidloaders and loaders. Each requires a little different placement of your spreader. Both work ok, but if I have a choice, I'll take the skidloader every time. And if the skidloader isn't too small, I ca n load faster than with a loader.

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thurlow

02-26-2003 06:21:52




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 Re: 4020 Loader or Bobcat in reply to eb77, 02-25-2003 20:42:47  
Have had front-end loaders on 4020s since '65. For silage or big round bales of hay, they work very well indeed. For rock, sand, dirt, etc, you're much better off with something designed for the purpose.



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G-MAN

02-26-2003 05:12:53




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 Re: 4020 Loader or Bobcat in reply to eb77, 02-25-2003 20:42:47  
$4000 isn't going to buy you much of a used Bobcat, and certainly not one big enough to run a good-sized post-hole digger. The post-hole digger attachment alone will probably run you a couple thousand dollars. Depending on the used equipment market in your area, I'd say you're going to be spending more like eight or ten thousand dollars to get what you're looking for, and even then, it may not be the most cherry machine. My two cents.

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John

02-26-2003 04:32:07




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 Re: 4020 Loader or Bobcat in reply to eb77, 02-25-2003 20:42:47  
You'd rather have a Bobcat. I have several loader tractors and a 773 bobcat. The 773 is more manuverable and faster. I can load a tandem dump truck with no problem. A post hole drill on a skid steer is much better than the 3 point hitch post hole drill b/c you can put down pressure on it where you can't with the 3 point hitch.



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kraig WY

02-25-2003 21:17:36




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 Re: 4020 Loader or Bobcat in reply to eb77, 02-25-2003 20:42:47  
It would depend on what the main use is gonna be. I have a 4020 w/loader. Neighbor has a bobcat w/landscaping business. Bobcat isn't any good for haying, then again the smaller bobcat is smaller for working in close areas. I sell gravel and topsoil. I find I can load it faster then he can with the botcat. He dosn't have the reach the 4020 has. The post hole digger works better on the 4020. I dig his post holes but he has a back hole attachment and does my ditching. The bobcat can't stack round bales like the 4020. They're differant animals. I wouldn't trade my 4020 w/loader for a bobcat, then he wouldn't trade the bobcat for a 4020. We switch off so it evens out.

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Green Envy

02-25-2003 21:44:07




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 Re: Re: 4020 Loader or Bobcat in reply to kraig WY, 02-25-2003 21:17:36  
It depends on the model of Bobcat when you compare how much they reach and how high you can stack. We can stack round bales on our hay trailer just as high with our bobcat as we can with our JD 7410 with a 740 loader. We use the bobcat in the field for stacking and the 7410 for unstacking at the farm. We can also load our 400 bu manure spreader faster with our bobcat than with the 7410 due to faster cycle time. We have found that it is real handy having a tractor/loader and a bobcat at the same time. Both can do jobs the other can't. But I agree with you that it depends on what the main use will be.

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