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JD A carb problem continued..still need help.

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Luke Rhonemus

02-22-2003 18:46:25




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Hi, Been a while since I have written, but I finally got around to taking the carb off of my A. Just to remind those of you who can help, I have a 41' A with a power block, heisler head, and a DLTX 71 carb, I have had the carb torn down twice and every passage way cleaned and double cleaned. I can drain the bowl and it would continue to run for minutes or until I ran out of gas in the tank I suppose. The main nozzle holes are not plugged at all and is rather clean. Still hard to start and when it does start, it won't stay running very long. Float is set 3/8" from the top of the bowl as recommended, and I set the idle needle a little above the recommended 2 turns, and the load a little above 1 since my block is bigger and the head needs the extra fuel compensation. If anyone out there has any other ideas let me know b/c I am getting very stumped. Thanks! Luke

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Lee

02-24-2003 06:44:13




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
Can you kill it on purpose by turning in the mixture screws? If one doesn't have any affect then you still need carburator work done.

As soon as it dies, I'd pull the spark plug wire, hook it on a spare plug and turn it over to see if you still have fire, both sides?

Sounds almost like an intermittent coil. And yes they do make those for magnetos too. :)



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Luke Rhonemus

02-23-2003 15:18:59




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
With regard to the questions concerning spark and all: I have put a cam that provides more valve lift than the factory. As far as my magneto, before I tore the tractor down it worked like a charm and still remains hot. As of right now, timing may be a problem. Everything is timed correctly b/w cam and flywheel. When I first tried starting it I had to rotate the mag 180 degrees so it would fire. How can I fine tune the timing if that is what it is besides moving the mag some more? Like I said I have done EVERY possible thing to the carb so it has to be something else. The spark plugs are brand new and provide blue spark, the wires are copper and brand new as well, and that pretty well covers it. Any help you can provide would be wonderful. Thanks! Luke

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Clooney

02-23-2003 16:54:51




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 Re: Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-23-2003 15:18:59  
Luke, what type of Wico mag are you running? If a C let us know as there are a few concerns with the "C" that can cause a problem like yours.

~Before you can set the starting timing you must have the flywheel on correctly, so check the flywheel to crank position. Then to check it, just slowly rotate the flywheel in the running direction [CCW] & watch the L/H impulse mark on the flywheel as it comes up to the case timing mark [a 3 o'clock behind the flywheel & at the same height as the crank center], when the mag snaps the L/H impulse text on the flywheel should be right at that case mark. If not, loosen the mag & rotate the top of the mag forward to retard the timing or rearward to advance the timing... Another way to set the starting timing is to keep moving the top of the mag to the rear until the flywheel kicks backwards when it fires while starting, then rotate the top of the mag forward until the kicking back stops [at that point you are as advanced as you can be for starting].

~We can talk you through setting the lag angle [running timing] on your mag but will have to know what mag & what the impulse cup number is. To get it close enough for it to run pretty good, pull the mag out & turn it so the impulse cup is facing you, then look at the impulse stop ring, the impulse pawl stop MUST be on the left [if not loosen the stop ring screws & turn the ring so the stop is on the left, then set the stop ring witness mark at 2-1/2 marks left of the center [straight up] case mark. That could be off a little if you have a 25� impulse cup on it but should be close enough to get it started & running pretty good. With your set up you will probably want to set the running timing when it's on a dyno anyway.

~If you are getting a blue spark at the plugs like you say & if the mag is tripping when the L/H impulse is lining up with the case mark it probably doesn't have a spark problem. It is easy to miss something in that carb so just because you have been into it a few times doesn't mean there isn't a problem with it. Are you sure the main well fuel hole in the side of the stem is not rusted shut? That hole is next to impossible to see if it is rusted shut & will cause a problem like you have.

~If you are sure you are getting a good spark, at the correct time, & the carb is functioning correctly with a working choke, you have other problems. You might want to check the cam timing against the [L/H ex open] on the flywheel [you will have to ask your cam grinder where it should line up]..

~Keep us posted on your progress & if you find anything....

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John T

02-23-2003 15:52:33




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 Re: Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-23-2003 15:18:59  
Hi again Luke, Well, if you had to rotate the mag 180 to make her run, that just means it was installed 180 out which can easily happen, as the full slot female drive cog slot on the end of the governor shaft turns it, and it (the mag) fits in either way. The Wico C and X fire both pistons at TDC on BOTH Compression and Exhaust strokes. As far as setting the initial starting timing, you just loosen the 2 bolts and rotate her CCW to advance, and CW to retard. The point gap also affects timing. The governor shaft which drives the mag is driven off the camshaft gear, so if you want the mag to fire at other than stock timing (in addition to the mags own run advance settings), you would have to change its gear timing relative to the camshaft. Usually more drastic than stock timing options is due to very high rpm and air flow characteristics, which I doubt is needed on the relatively low RPM Deeres. The run time advance timing on the mag (if that's your issue and you want more run advance etc.) is set by rotating the mags rear drive plate coupler and different couplers have some different settings and indicator marks, my particular Wico X is 2 1/2 to left.

Good Luck Ol John T Nordhoff

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JON

02-23-2003 14:47:30




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
LUKE CALL ME AND TELL ME WHEN YOU FIND SOMETHING OUT .MAY HAVE SAME PROBLEM



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John T

02-23-2003 09:38:34




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
Good Afternoon there Luke, Well, we will all try n help the best we can, but unfortunately for me at least, I need to ask questions before I can go much further.

1. Based on limited info, as you say it runs a while but not long, that tends slightly more to fuel starvation than an ignition problem, but its still too early to tell. It sounds like the carbs float and bowl and needle valve/seat are okay, and clogged idle passages can cause poor idle, but she should still not just simply run then totally quit as you indicate. When you say you cleaned the carb, were the brass drill plugs removed and those passages driled out the proper size and all side and smaller subsidiary passages cleaned out also????? And was the center vertical brass nozzle removed and cleaned including all its tiny small side holes???

2. When she starts to die, does it sputter n smoke (what color out the stack????) and will choking her help any or make much difference???? Or does it act like the ignition was suddenmly turned off????? ? It would help if immediatley after she died, you checked if it still had a good blue spark, and if the plugs are wet or dry and what color or deposits are on them ????? ???? 3. What type of ignition do you have (mag or distributor) and what shape are the points and their gap in, and do you have good solid wire core wires and clean good plugs??? If you remove the plugs and leave their wires attached with their frame against the tractors steel and crank her over, does each produce a good visible blue spark or a faint wimpy yellow one???

4. Also, as in the JD 70 post below, you may want to check for vacuum leaks. Have you looked at the air cleaners bowl lately????? ?? and is the choke butterfly plate actually opening and closing in relation to where the exterior choke rod is at????? ?

More could be said, but we need to try and see if its a fuel starvation or ignition related problem if possible, as ignition problems can cause simuilar symptoms at times.

Play with her a bit and see what kind of spark youre gettign at each plug and let us know. Good Luck n God Bless Ol John T Nordhoff

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Doug

02-23-2003 05:51:17




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
Have you tried anything other than carb. I had one that the mag would start it and then loose spark. Also had one that the coil wasn't hot enought. Could be out of time but it would have to be pretty bad, Do you have a I.T. manual or a owners manual it will tell you how to check that. I have had a tractor that I tore the carb. apart 7 or 8 times before it ran good. (2 of them were done be someone who really new what they were doing).

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d

02-22-2003 21:43:11




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
Have you checked the carb shafts for binding? I asume it is starving for fuel rather than loading up. Is there any chance you are leaking around the intake, or carburator bushings? Are you getting white smoke out the muffler? (unburned fuel) if so then go to plan B --ignition problems



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Clooney

02-22-2003 20:26:36




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
Luke, your problem sounds like either spark or fuel. You seem to have the fuel end of it under control so that probably leaves spark.
~What are you using on it for an ignition system? Mag or Distributor? Have you done anything to the ignition system? How old are the spark plugs? Give us a little more info & we will try to help....



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Wayne Swenson

02-22-2003 20:13:59




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 Re: JD A carb problem continued..still need help. in reply to Luke Rhonemus, 02-22-2003 18:46:25  
Two other things to consider:
1. is the camshaft correctly timed to the crankshaft?
2. do you have a strong, correctly timed spark?
These things will mimic a fuel problem so don't jump to conclusions!!



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