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James

02-20-2003 18:44:48




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Is it true that 'power shift' sucks the power out of a tractor? I seen someone say that a 3020 with power shift could not outwork a borrowed mule. Is a 4020 with powershift less valued than one without?




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billyiron

02-23-2003 18:49:16




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 Re: 4020 power shift in reply to James, 02-20-2003 18:44:48  
where i am at cental ne a good 4020 ps is like gold usually out sell syncro by $1500



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Lyle (Sask)

02-21-2003 09:50:21




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 Re: 4020 power shift in reply to James, 02-20-2003 18:44:48  
Hi, We had a 1966 powershift 4020, and a 1965 synchro 4020.

My dad dealt with the problem of a bit lower pulling capability in the power shift by having the dealer "Open Up" the fuel pump setting to increase engine HP by 5 or 10 HP.

Tractor was used for over 20 years before my dad retired from the farm in the 90's...

The synchro was a strong tractor when field cultivating, but it was tough to grab a lower gear when you bogged down, as the shift pattern pairs 2 and 5th gear, 1 and 3, and 4 and 7.

The powershift was easy to move from 4 to 3 when you hit a soft spot in the field with disc or field cultivator...

For valuation, I'd think that the powershift tractors now have a premium, as they make the tractor so much more useful for hobby farm, acreage type activity like haying, mowing, or loader work...

Most folks don't farm small enough to use a 100 horse tractor as the primary machine, and the 4020 is now a higher horsepower version of what we affectionately called a "Chore" tractor on our farm...

The one that did all the little chores around the place except for field work.

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powershift

02-20-2003 20:21:07




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 Re: 4020 power shift in reply to James, 02-20-2003 18:44:48  
A powershift transmission does have a lower efficency than a sychro transmission. Not so noticeable on a 4020 in comparison to a 3020 powershift.



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Mike J

02-21-2003 11:33:17




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 Re: Re: 4020 power shift in reply to powershift, 02-20-2003 20:21:07  
My dad has a 3020 and 4020 powershift tractors he is retired but he bought them new the 3020 in 1965 and 4020 in 1970 the powershift drag is not noticed once the tractor has completed the shift the drag was more noticeable in some gears then other not very noticeable in the frist 5 gears 6th to 7th was the worst because it had 3 clutch packs to shift all at once I used them to plow with and you could shift 3rd to 4th to 5th and back down as needed without any problem the 3020 had a loader put on it in 1968 until 1 year ago and has 15000 hours on it and has never been apart for trans. or clutch work the 4020 has 13000 hours on and never been apart They are expensive to fix if you do but percentage wise I don't think that happens very often in my opinion.

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G-MAN

02-22-2003 07:36:43




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 Re: Re: Re: 4020 power shift in reply to Mike J, 02-21-2003 11:33:17  
You're correct. Most of what is seen as "power loss" occurs during the shift, as certain elements are engaged and certain elements are released, and it occurs on all JD mechanically-controlled powershifts up to and including the 15-speed to some extent, although through the use of accumulators and better shift valves, the 15-speed is "smarter" than it's 8-speed predecessors. The electronically-controlled powershifts do away with al of that for the most part. Once the tranny is fully in gear, I doubt there is much if any more loss of power than through a synchro-range. The only difference is that the synchro-range used a mechanical clutch and synchromesh gears, while the powershift used hydraulic clutches and planetary gears. All trannies produce a loss of power when they're in operation, and all those gears running together in a synchro-range do as well. The reason 3020 synchros seem to have more power is that the operator can slip the clutch to keep engine RPM up while starting out and shifting. With a powershift, it's much more automatic, and the tranny pretty much does what it wants to once the inching pedal gets so far up. I work on a lot of powershifts, and in some applications I prefer them to synchroranges, but both were excellent transmissions, and both were far ahead of where anybody else was in that day and age. Proper maintenance and operation is the key to making either type lead a long and happy life.

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