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MIKE HANLEY

02-20-2003 13:42:40

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The 330 thru the 830 all show the first prouduction dates of Aug 2 1958 to Aug 5 1958. Two Cylinder in the May June 1995 issue on page 4 shows a 630 numbered as a 650. The photo was taken in Feb 1958. SIX months BEFORE the first one was made. Also shown on page 2 is a picture that shows the 450 550 650 750 850.

QUESTION: Did these tractors have serial numbers starting with 350 450 550 650 750 850? And if so were they reserial numbered in to the 330 430 530 630 730 830. Two cylinder says that into production the chance was made. QUISTION: How many 30 series tractors were built between Feb 1958 and the official starting production dates of Aug 2nd to Aug 5th? And how many were built after the Aug 2 to Aug 5th dates that were numbered 350 to 850. QUESTION: Is say 6300000 really the 1st 630 built on 5th 1958? Or was it the first 650 built before Feb 1958 and renumbered on Aug 5th 1958 or maybe one of the other 650's? THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR YOUR IMPUT.

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Think about it just a minute.

02-21-2003 15:16:47

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Re: Here's one for discustion. in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 02-20-2003 13:42:40

Those photos you are talking about were taken of EXPERIMENTAL tractors---most likely 20 series experimental tractors that were given the styling updates---if you look closely, you can see that in the "group" photo, some of the Waterloo-built tractors have the same style of seat used on the New Generation tractors---these were NOT production models, and if they had serial number tags at all, they were probably stamped with some kind of experimental designation.

The decision to change from 50 series nomenclature to 30 series nomenclature was published on June 30, 1958---which means that the decision was made sometime before then, as there is always a time lag between the making of an Engineering Decision and the time it is published.

30 series tractor production began in late July, 1958. The August figures you quoted are SHIP dates, not build dates.

To sum up---there were never any "production" 50-series two-cylinder tractors built---the ones in the photos are experimental and developmental units spruced up for photo duty.

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CLW

02-20-2003 18:09:22

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Re: Here's one for discustion. in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 02-20-2003 13:42:40

Mike, my understanding is the 30 series was going to be the 50 series in the beginning but was changed before production ever started. I have seen pictures of a 630 with the 3010 seat but that was before production started. I know you have seen the 60 with "A" markings also. I don't think there ever was a serial no. of 650000 put on a tractor. Could be the tractors we saw didn't have a tag at all. When Deere sent tractors to their farms to be tested did they have tags on them? I have now told you a lot more than I know.
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MIKE HANLEY

02-20-2003 19:10:16

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Re: Re: Here's one for discustion. in reply to CLW, 02-20-2003 18:09:22

One thought I had and it was just a thought. There were several 720'S (10 maybe) that had there serial numbers scrapped. and one 720 that was reserial numbered from 7200021 to serial number GX789 on May 28 1958. and 7200016 reserial numbered to GX799 on June 17 1958. Over two years after they were made,,,,,Possible the first 730's (750's) I find it hard to belive that the 350 to 850 were scraped as the first 20 series that went to the Engineering Dept, were retured and sold as used tractors two to three years after they were made. Just a bit of history that I would some day like to know.

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CLW

02-20-2003 20:47:42

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Re: Re: Re: Here's one for discustion. in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 02-20-2003 19:10:16

May be a good question for MR THINKER. Haven't heard from him in quite a while.
CLW

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