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HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,??

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Lavoy

02-17-2003 22:16:04




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Am working on a 1010 gas crawler, and I am tearing my hair out, and I don't have any to spare.
The crawler was bought in pieces, but the engine was already rebuilt, new deck, pistons, valves, the whole 9 yards. Carb is rebuilt and correct carb, dist. is good, new coil, wiring harness, etc, etc.
The problem is no power. It will dyno about 25HP at full operating temp, and in addition, sounds like it is grossly retarded. It seems like it is not breathing well, and will take a long time to rev up from idle when you advance the throttle. Seems to be very sensitive to timing changes, if you move the distributor at all when on the dyno, it loses power instantly
No restrictions on the intake or exhaust, compression check shows 160lbs every hole.
Finally pulled the front cover off to see if the cam is timed wrong, it is not.
I am completely out of ideas, I know they were never powerhouses to start with, but they would at least put out rated power. It is so doggy, it is almost unuseable as a dozer, the clutch is in more than out.
It is a low hour, power 6-way, reverser machine, so can't just give up on it, but am ready to part it out. Anyone got any ideas or something I have missed?!?!?!?!? Have been considering putting in new timing gears in cse they are defective. Also considered advanciing one tooth, or put in a 4 degree offset key. Any place to get the cam specs so it could be dialed in to check for errors?
Let me know guys, I give up.
Lavoy

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ErnieD

02-18-2003 18:07:24




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 Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-17-2003 22:16:04  
I am assuming a 4 cyl engine.
Verify distributor rotation cw or ccw, then start at #1 and follow/check firing order with rotation. Going the opposite way will allow engine to run but no power. Old army trick to disable jeep; or so I was told. Happened to me once on a rebuild.



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Lavoy

02-18-2003 19:26:26




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 Re: Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to ErnieD, 02-18-2003 18:07:24  
Ernie,
Never heard that before, but will check. Of course if that is what is wrong, I'll never admit it, and will have to silence all witnesses.
Lavoy



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Clooney

02-18-2003 09:26:02




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 Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-17-2003 22:16:04  
Lavoy, there could be many reasons for your engine acting like it does & you are attacking it correctly by eliminating them one at a time.

~The biggest problem you are facing is, with all those new parts that were installed you really don't know what you have or if it ever ran correctly to begin with.

~I guess if I were trying to track your problem down I would start with a timing light & see if the distributor advance is working & that it is [advancing in the correct direction when the engine is sped up]...

~If ok there I would do a cylinder balance test & with the engine running at a decent RPM, short out one plug wire at a time & see if the RPM drop was the same for all cylinders & if they appear to produce the same power.

~If still nothing stands out I would install a manifold vacuum gage & see if the manifold vacuum is staying up under light load & at higher RPM's [if not suspect an intake or exhaust restriction or retarded cam]. If you could find another like tractor to compare vacuum readings with it would tell you a lot. [sorry I haven�t worked on enough 1010�s to give you a vacuum comparison].

~The fuel flow to & through the carb is still a big contributor to lack of power & lazy performance so make sure you don�t have a restriction in the fuel system or carb inlet. Make sure the carb is working correctly & it is the correct one for your tractor.

If exhaust gas is finding it's way into the intake manifold or combustion process it will really hinder proper combustion so make sure there isn't a problem there.

~You might want to pull the rocker cover to check for tight valves & lack of valve lift [low valve lift will give good compression but almost no power. Weak valve springs will also cause low power & lazy performance. If possible try to find the cam specs & make sure the cam is installed correctly & probably just as important, make sure the cam is the correct one & ground correctly for your engine

~Sorry I can�t give you any more specific info but the 1010 isn�t one of my strong suits�.

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Clooney--1--more thing--

02-18-2003 12:36:06




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 Re: Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Clooney, 02-18-2003 09:26:02  
Lavoy, I forgot one important step...Make sure the governor is working & opening the carb all the way, a lazy governor will really hurt the power if it won't respond, or isn't capable of opening the carb all the way....



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JWH

02-18-2003 08:34:26




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 Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-17-2003 22:16:04  
This may not be any help, but I had a 55 combine engine act like your 1010 is doing-----and the problem was that the advance plate in the distributor was stuck---freed that up, and it was a whole new ballgame!!



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Lavoy

02-18-2003 13:23:36




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 Re: Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to JWH, 02-18-2003 08:34:26  
JWH,
That is one of the first things we tried. Using and advance timing light, it appears the spark advance is working correctly.
Lavoy



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John T

02-18-2003 07:42:05




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 Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-17-2003 22:16:04  
Sorry Lavoy, I dont know beans about a 1010, but will offer a few things regardless about engines in general from what you describe.

You say turning the distributor slightly makes a big difference, if I didnt know better and if it were like some auto type engines I am familiar with, I would wonder if its in a tooth or so off and right on the edge of where its supposed to be HOWEVER that assumes its like a gear driven (not one fit only) and even possible to get it or a cam driving it just slightly off??

Regardless of how it works or is driven, if you like bring number 1 cylinder to TDC on its compression stroke and remove the distributor cap, the rotor better be near that plugs cap terminal and the points near or at open on a high cam lobe at that time, are they????? ????? If not, I would be taking a serious look at distributior timing and drive issues, because the symptoms you describe sure sound a lot like OFFFFF FFFF timing.

Sorry I cant help but Good Luck n God Bless Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Loren

02-18-2003 07:27:29




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 Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-17-2003 22:16:04  
As long as you are checking all possibilities, have you checked the fuel filter? The 1010 has a screen-type filter inside the top of the carburetor. The fuel line screws into the filter fitting. If it wasn't cleaned during the overhaul it could be giving you trouble. Mine was completely clogged and the engine was starved for fuel. Might be worth checking yours if you haven't already.



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Lee

02-18-2003 02:19:47




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 Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-17-2003 22:16:04  
As a mechanic I agree with your suspicions on a retarded cam being the root cause. The symptoms are classic retarded cam timing symptoms, each and every one. Why haven't you tried it one tooth advanced already?

Exact specs for cam timing is likely to be hard to find, so I would settle for any generic timings for just about any engine and start there. But the only place I've seen that stuff for sure was in 'How to Hot Rod your Chevy' type books and that would be for racing cams, so....

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Lavoy

02-18-2003 07:30:00




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 Re: Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lee, 02-18-2003 02:19:47  
Lee,
Just got it apart a week or so ago, have not had time to advance it yet. Was thinking there might be something else wrong first.
Cam gear has 44 teeth, so one tooth should be a little over 8 degrees. I agree that timing and grind specs would be almost impossible to find. I have put several mild cams in small block Chevy's, and always had them dialed in, and then set for a 4 degree advance. My engine guys say that advanced yeilds torque, retarded will give you RPM. I'm not too interested in RPM on a 1010, just torque.
The other thing that stumps me is how well the engine runs. It will start right up in the middle of a North Dakota Winter and runs like a sewing machine. Trouble is, it has the same power as a sewing machine as well.
Lavoy

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Lee

02-19-2003 08:49:09




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lavoy, 02-18-2003 07:30:00  
I'm not stumped on why she starts so good - 160 compression is pretty darn good. A couple more ideas hit me, did you happen to flip over one or more of the gears? They might have what look to be timing marks on the back side and you've mis-timed it to those? I remember one particular Ford V8 where it was timed with a chain in a straight row between cam and crank, but the year before it was timed with both marks going straight right with 13 links between the marks. We just had the wrong book open. You are off by more than just 8 degrees though, I would pop the valve cover off a volkswagen or anything really and gather my own degree info and just get the crawler close to that first. Nice looking crawler BTW - my favorite color too, Green!

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Lavoy

02-19-2003 18:52:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP!! 1010 gas, engine problem, Clooney, JT,?? in reply to Lee, 02-19-2003 08:49:09  
Engine was already assembled when we got it. Going to order new timing gears to be on the safe side there, and then if the existing gears are not the problem, go from there.
Lavoy



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