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Wagon gear again

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Michael Soldan

11-07-2005 15:25:22




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Welp. I posted the other day about this wagon gear and I couldn't get the reach to slide out to adjust it for a hay rack. I've been soaking oil in the bolt holes all along the reach for several days. This morning I chained the back half of the gear to a large walnut tree in the yard and hooked the B250 onto the front..just dug a hole, so I unhooked and put the 574 on it and it just sat and spun..neighbours came in to see what I was doing..they couldn't believe that those pipes would be rusted that much that they wont pull out..I had to give up, still soaking the penetrating oil to it, will try once more and if it doesn't buge..I cut the pipes, pull the back half out and weld in new pipes for the reach..lotta dang work because of some rust!...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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RickL

11-09-2005 05:57:15




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
soundas to me like you have the holes that were bolted together egged out and this is probbable what is actually hold you. And on some units there is a setscrew locked in sure you dont have one of then still in also. I onlyu use kroil for penetrate. The best thing going for stuck items is air hammer plain simple. Vibration will work wonders period.



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paul

11-07-2005 21:15:20




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
Pulling really doesn't stress the rust all that much.

Jerking with a chain only stresses you, as the broken chain passes through your head - don't do that!

Pounding, or heating - now _that_ does a good job on rust!!!!! You need to try these. A little twisting on the way works too, along with the beating.

All the reaches I've worked on, the holes the bolts went throuogh were mushroomed out & that is what was holding it together. are you sure it is rust? Or are the pipes mangled up inside these holes & holding it together?

--->Paul

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Jerry D in NC

11-07-2005 21:06:10




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
Heat Heat Heat

Get the hot wrench and cook that puppy while it is tight between the tree and a tractor. Take a hammer and tap it as you heat it to break the rust loose



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Jerry D in NC

11-07-2005 21:06:00




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
Heat Heat Heat

Get the hot wrench and cook that puppy while it is tight between the tree and a tractor. Take a hammer and tap it as you heat it to break the rust loose



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wilman

11-07-2005 19:13:26




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
What type of Penetrating oil are you using? I just split an old running gear that had been sitting out side for the last 27 years. Used PB Blaster and shot in around the bolt holes and in around the pole. Lifted up on one corner of the gear and applied gentle pressure. Took a good sized hammer and beat all along the reach. Front pulled off with no problems. Had a little more trouble with the back. Hooked the pole to one tractor and the back to a second tractor. Backed up and applied pressure and kept the pressure on the gear. Took a hammer and just kept beating all along the pole on both sides. Every so often would try backing the tractor up and would gently jerk it and then would keep the pressure on everything and go back to pounding with the hammer and applying PB. Finally after about 1/2 hour I managed to get it appart. I think the key is gentle, constant pressure mixed in with a few gentle jerks. Just keep working it rather than trying to apply pressure all at once. That is how things fly apart. Am currently doing the same thing to the front spindles that are locked up tight.

Wil

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IA Roy

11-07-2005 18:59:27




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
Measure the pipe to see if it is out of round. If the bolts were in horizontally, block up the pipe solid from the bottom and hit the top with a sledge hammer. If the bolts were vertical use something heavy to back up the pipe while pounding from the other side. Try to make the pipes round again. You will also probably shake it loose by pounding



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Harold Hubbard

11-07-2005 15:54:33




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
Have you tried twisting it? Jack one end up and put a jackstand or a block right where the two parts come together, the try rocking the raised axle back and forth, it may loosen it or you may just see the reach twisting back and forth along with the axle. Another option is to heat it, not red as it will damage the metal, but hotter than you can hold on to. Also, hooking it between two trees with a come-along and pounding on it with a BIG hammer may work better than pulling it with a tractor.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-07-2005 15:31:17




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:25:22  
Mike, you've gotta stop watching that Chevy commercial where the guy upgrades his truck to a 4 door by pulling on an oak tree. GRIN



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Michael Soldan

11-07-2005 15:41:17




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-07-2005 15:31:17  
Rod, I was trying to make the tractor into a two seater...



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NEsota

11-07-2005 18:33:48




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-07-2005 15:41:17  
Suggest you give it jerks by using a chain with some slack in it connected between the wagon and tree. Would start with just a little slack and increase if needed. Do be careful, maybe you should not try it at home.



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Rexalot

11-08-2005 10:31:31




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to NEsota, 11-07-2005 18:33:48  
I wouldn't recommend "jerking" anything with a chain. Chains have a way of coming apart with disasterous results. A "snatch strap" may be a better choice for "jerking", but even then there are risks.

Stay away from any snatch strap with metal hooks at the ends, for obvious reasons. When the strap fails or what it's attached to gives way the hooks become deadly missles. Vehicle damage and loss of life can occur.

I would use a come - along between two fixed objects, steady pressure, heat it and beat it (as already described)

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billOH

11-08-2005 18:14:02




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 Re: Wagon gear again in reply to Rexalot, 11-08-2005 10:31:31  
Rexalot has the answer. I would only add "twist it with a pipe wrench."



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