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Difference between 953 963 JD running gears

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wilman

10-23-2005 15:41:21




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What are the differences between a 953 John Deere running gear and a 963? From a previous post, I know the 953 has a longer wheel hub with a cast iron center and the 963 has a "regular" hub with press in center. Other than that, is there any other major differences? How much newer is the 963 than the 953? I have an old JD running gear that I am interested in fixing up and I am now fairly sure is a 963. Thanks for your help.

Wil

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Dean in iowa

10-24-2005 16:51:17




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to wilman, 10-23-2005 15:41:21  
That is definitely a # 943 running gear. The 943 had the I-beam frame. I have some NOS steering parts if you need them. The 952 had the long hub And so did the 953. The difference was that on a 952 the hub cap screwed OVER the long hub. On a 953 the hub cap screwed INTO the long hub. The last (newer) versions of the 953 did not have the long cast hubs.



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wilman

10-24-2005 19:38:44




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to Dean in iowa, 10-24-2005 16:51:17  
Dean, I Sent you an email. Thanks for the information.

Leroy, Thanks again for all of the information.

This gear was bought new by my grandfather and at one time had a wooden flare box on it. I would like to get it fixed up and eventually find a flare box to put on it again.

Wil



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Leroy

10-25-2005 16:28:33




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to wilman, 10-24-2005 19:38:44  
It would be easy for you to make, If you would need measurements I have a wood flair box I could take measurements off for you



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Tim(nj)

10-25-2005 07:02:05




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 Keep an eye on the photo ads on this site in reply to wilman, 10-24-2005 19:38:44  
I"ve noticed that flare boxes show up for sale in various midwestern locations over in photo ads. I"ve never seen a flare box where I live, probably because before gravity boxes most farmers had a flat wagon for hay that they added sides onto for corn or grain, guess that would be called a barge box?



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Leroy

10-24-2005 17:18:43




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to Dean in iowa, 10-24-2005 16:51:17  
With the picture I now see it is a 943 made from 1947 to 1966 acording to JD's parts book for 943, 953, 963, 1040, 1064, 1065, 1074. If you can post the hub no and wheel no I can give you a clocer year and that wagon also was avaible with either a 4"X26" or a 7"X26" steel wheel



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Leroy

10-24-2005 17:25:13




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to Leroy, 10-24-2005 17:18:43  
Looking at the picture of the wheel And hub again I can see that it is the S 3348 DW hub used up to 1955 and the 16" wheel was ysed all the time from 1947 to 1955 while the 15" wheel was used from 1950 to 1955



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Leroy

10-23-2005 17:55:56




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to wilman, 10-23-2005 15:41:21  
You are getting the 952 and 953 mixed up with the 953 and 963. The first model was the 951 that was bacicly the same, then the 952 with the hub you are thinking about being on the 953 and the 953 was built from 1940 on thru end of parts book at Aug 67. The 963 was a heavier duty gear than the 953 and was built starting in 1944 thru the same Aug 67 of the parts book and how much later I do not know. both the 953 from 1940 - 1964 and the 963 from 1944 to 1955 used the same hub No. A 5279 DW, after 1955 They no longer list a plain hub for the 963, only a hub with brakes. I had at one time information that the rear axle on the 963 was a larger size than the 953 but the front axle was the same size. The 953 was a 4 ton gear while I think the 963 was a 5 ton gear. Some of this is from memory but the hub info I gust got out of the parts book just now and I have a 953 and a friend has the 952. I also own a 902 gear that has the same hub that they used on the early 951 with a later style hub being on some of the 951 models, not sure if they were changed from the early large cast hub that used a 5 lug 17" wheel or not to use a 16" wheel but the early 953 and 963 both would have had 16" wheels with the 15" coming along later

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wilman

10-23-2005 18:26:04




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to Leroy, 10-23-2005 17:55:56  
Leroy

Thanks for the information and for clearing up my confusion. I am now thinking that I have a 953. It has a 6 bolt, 16 inch wheel with press on hub centers. I am guessing it was bought sometime in the mid to late 1940"s. I took some pictures of it today and will try and post them here.

Wil
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Stan - Florida

10-23-2005 16:58:38




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to wilman, 10-23-2005 15:41:21  
Wil,

I think I sent you an e-mail. If you don't get it, please reply here.

Stan



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wilman

10-23-2005 18:28:47




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to Stan - Florida, 10-23-2005 16:58:38  
Stan,

I received your email and replied back to you. If you could send me that informatin it would be great. Looks like my picture above worked. Here are some more of the running gear.

Wil

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Tim(nj)

10-23-2005 19:49:21




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 None of the above in reply to wilman, 10-23-2005 18:28:47  
I-beam axles with stakes directly mounted without bolsters indicates that this is a 943 economy gear, which has a 3 ton capacity.



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msb

10-23-2005 15:48:07




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to wilman, 10-23-2005 15:41:21  
963 has a beefed up tongue.A plate welded to the bottom of the C channel that the tongue is made from.They can still be bent.lol,bob



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edchainsaw

10-23-2005 19:33:41




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to msb, 10-23-2005 15:48:07  
ok now I am sure I have a 953-- it has the screw on bearing caps (still avalable from deere)

or are these 2 wagons 963's both have the JD formed together with a dot at the start of the J



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Kyrmc

10-24-2005 11:33:10




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to edchainsaw, 10-23-2005 19:33:41  
Check the rear axel, the 963 will have a small oval welded hole, 2-3 inches in from each end, in the front and rear of the rear axel main beam. The 953 will not have this welded hole.



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charley hellickson

10-23-2005 23:14:28




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 Re: Difference between 953 963 JD running gears in reply to edchainsaw, 10-23-2005 19:33:41  
i just bought an operators manual for 963 wagon with hydraulic brakes.it shows a plain press in hub cap like one in picture that is posted but is has diffirent style wheels,ones with 4 square bolt holes.it is 5 ton.it also has leaf springs. i just bought a 963 with springs and no brakes. it has the big screw on cast hub cap with JD cast in it.i have an owners manual for it too.it shows springs,two other bolsters and brakes.they have 16 inch wheels.

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