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Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors?

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BobinIL

10-14-2005 11:20:18




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I am considering getting back into farming on a hobby basis. I used to farm 15 years ago so I am somewhat experienced. I have my eye on a 90hp tractor either a 4030 or a 4230 Deere. I am having trouble determining what type of fall tillage impliment to use behind this small of a tractor. When I used to farm most of the chisel plows required 25hp to 30hp per shank for our types of soil. we usually used 170hp to 300hp tractors. At this rate I would only be able to pull a 3 or 4 shanked chisel plow. I know I could go to the moldboard plow and use a 4 bottom with 16" spacings but I am not real fond of leaving no crop residue. Anyone have a suggestion?

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BobinIL

10-16-2005 12:09:16




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 Re: More questions on Fall tillage impliments for in reply to BobinIL, 10-14-2005 11:20:18  
Just to clarify I will be using this set up in central Illinois on cut corn stalks after it has been disked once. When I used to farm we used Glencoe soil savers with 4" twisted shovels and ran them as deep as they could go. We even mounted two tractor front end weight bracked and full sets of weights on the chisel plow itself to keep it in the ground. We used an 11 shank behind a 300hp 4wd tractor We were tring to rip the plow sole to reduce compaction. Now days they make a lot of good rippers that do the same thing. What companies make these smaller chisel plows for a 100hp tractors? I know IHC used to make #55 that may work. Also what are the advantages or disadvantages of 3 point mounted chisels and the pull type?

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James2

10-17-2005 09:51:08




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 Re: More questions on Fall tillage impliments for in reply to BobinIL, 10-16-2005 12:09:16  
Bob:
Sold the chisel and bought a mounted DMI 5 shank inline ripper, because I wanted to go deeper. Really wanted a disk-ripper, but became convinced that I couldn't pull it with a two wheel drive. Bought a smaller, old 4 wheel drive and maybe could now pull a disk-ripper. Depth control with 3 point stuff is a concern, but the DMI has depth control wheels, and if it goes a little deeper, I don't care. If I had 500 acres to rip, maybe the extra fuel consumption would be a concern. My fuzzy memory seems to recall seeing a Brillion, or some other short line manufacturer, 5 or 6 shank disk-chisel at an auction a couple of years ago. So I believe they are around, just not plentiful.

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Tim(nj)

10-17-2005 16:41:54




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 Re: More questions on Fall tillage impliments for in reply to James2, 10-17-2005 09:51:08  
Glencoe used to make one that was 5 shank, but they are uncommon. Wenger"s in Pennsylvania will have one every couple years, and it doesn"t take long for them to move it. I have also seen a 5 shank Landoll. They might still be made new.



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James2

10-14-2005 21:25:10




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 Re: Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors? in reply to BobinIL, 10-14-2005 11:20:18  
Bob my experience with chisel plows is similar to what you have seen. However, I have pulled 5 shanks with a "solid" 90 bhp tractor and this proved to be a reasonable match. Started out as an eleven shank, and took them off until I could do more than scratch the ground and move faster than a turtle. Pulled the full eleven with 180 bhp. I'd try seven or possibly eight on 120 bhp.



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John A.

10-14-2005 20:54:23




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 Re: Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors? in reply to BobinIL, 10-14-2005 11:20:18  
Bob, A 4230 is a great 100hp tractor. It will handle a 13 shank chisel plow. That and a 12 ft tandem or offset will be a good fall plowing setup.
Here in Central Texas that is the prevelent combo. Moldboards are not found around here. I only know of 2 trailes 5 bottom and neither have been pulled in 25 yrs. and a handful of 2 bottom 3pt models. Those are used in garden spots. Not full production farming. hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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Tim(nj)

10-15-2005 11:36:35




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 Re: Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors? in reply to John A., 10-14-2005 20:54:23  
How deep can you go down there with 13 shanks on a 4230? I have a 4430, and going 8-9 inches deep in our clay, 13 shanks with twisted shovels is all she would want. Now, if you have front wheel assist in the equation (not the hydrostatic mess Deere tried on the 30 series though) performance will be much different!



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John A.

10-15-2005 21:08:45




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 Re: Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors? in reply to Tim(nj), 10-15-2005 11:36:35  
Tim, Here at the house My soil is a derivitive of our Houston Black Clay. This is the predominate soil of the blackland belt that runs from the Red River through Dallas follows I-35 south to Austin then straight South to the Gulf.
I have always been able to pull 13 shanks in our soil. My ol 966 and this 4230 will pull 7 to 8 in. deep. In the dead heat of summer it will shallow out to 5 but then you get clods the size of watermellons and will not hardly melt after a rain. So I always chisel after a rain, and just prior to the summer heat.
Even when I was in the Panhandle of Texas and Okla we could pull 13 shanks with a 100 hp tractor.
Up there the only time I stopped a 180 hp 4840, was while pulling an Orthman, 7 shank middle ripper when we were ripping middles on corn that was under center piviot irrigation we did this to stop run off water. We were pulling between 14 and 16 in deep. i would check depth with a 16 in Cresent wrench. As long as it would go almost or allthe was out of sight it was good.
Had to run Straddle duals in standing corn. To have the traction needed to pull that deep. No way with singles.
I just can't fathom soil that hard though.
Not to appear rude But IMO a 4430 that won't handle 13 shanks has got to be sick. needs a little help of some kind or another.
Hope this helps. Hollar back if you want.
Later,
John A.

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JMS/MN

10-14-2005 14:07:21




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 Re: Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors? in reply to BobinIL, 10-14-2005 11:20:18  
Your thoughts on hp per shank are about double what they require. I run a 12 foot Glencoe chisel on the 4430, but the 4240 can also handle it on heavy clay soil. A 4230 is a good match for a 4-16/18 or any chisel as wide as the tractor- 8,9 shank. A disc chisel takes more power because it does more work- I run a 12 shank White disc chisel on the 4450 MFWD, cranked up to 190 hp, but I can pull it over 5mph. The smaller tractors with the plain chisel run in 4th- Power Shift.

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ChrisLSD

10-14-2005 12:42:45




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 Re: Fall tillage impliments for smaller tractors? in reply to BobinIL, 10-14-2005 11:20:18  
a big bladed disk with notched disks -



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