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Ron Kruty

09-13-2005 17:36:09




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I have an F-40 Ferguson and an MF50 Massey Ferguson.They both have the Z134 Continental engine which is rated at 34.50 HP. The Hay equipment I wanna use is rated for 35 HP. It is a small NH haybine and baler. Is this gonna work OK or do I really need to dump these 2 tractors and upgrade to a 50 HP plus model...Whaddya think guys, Please,honest real answers are needed here... I gotta a ton of $ in these two tractors and hate to see them go....

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wade 2

09-16-2005 17:33:15




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
i do not think you will have a problem at all. i run an allis wd and wd45, and an farmall H. I've run all three tractors on my 469nh haybine.and all three on case 300 baler. The live pto is really really nice on the baler. but you can run the farmall wich makes you become real good with a cluch, (starting and stoping). i never had a problem getting it in gear like others have said, but you want to do it fast so your baler keeps speed up going it to the row. you will be fine with the tractors you have.

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Leroy

09-15-2005 18:05:24




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
If you have normal hay then you should be able to pull a 9' haybine or a baler with thrower without any problem. Pulled a 9' Case haybine or McCormick 46 baler with kicker with 41 Farmall H (27hp) or 49 john Deere B (28hp) with no problem. The only time you would have a problem is if you want to speed as a lot seem to want to do. Just stay in 2-3 gear or possibly baler in 1st gear and you will be OK, now if you want to mow in 4-5 gear then you will have problems including staying on the seat when it bounces the tractor in the air. The ones that seem to speed are the ones with the 100+HP units with extra large tires and extra heavy so they will not bounce on a little rough ground

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Jerry D in NC

09-14-2005 18:07:01




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
Ron,
I bale all the time with a Ford 2000 and it has plenty of power to bale with. If I remember correctly (Bill VA speak up here) the MF 50 and the Ferguson 40 are the same tractor. I have a MF50 and it is a stout little tractor with dual stage clutch as well as ground speed PTO. I would much rather have two tractors running a bit slower than one tractor that I had to change things all the time. It depends on what i am mowing as to how much I mower I can pull. If I am in good alfalfa I can pull 9ft with no problem and go at a fast clip. If I am in heavy grass the 7ft MoCo I have is all I want. You need to match your needs to the tools.

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Hugh MacKay again

09-14-2005 13:21:19




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
Ron: Another fact, I guarentee, tractors under 35 hp have baled more small square bales of hay across North America than all other tractors combined.



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Hugh MacKay

09-14-2005 13:16:41




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
Ron: I baled 30,000 bales per year 40 years ago with no more hp than you have. My haybine was NH 460 - 9' and baler was a NH S-69 with thrower, and damn few bales were ever droped on the ground. The MF will have live pto, I expect the 40 has as well. You'll have no problem.

On level ground, I've baled a few loads with my Farmall 130 and pulled wagon and operated the thrower. Wasn't fast but I didn't have to take other tractors off work they were doing.

Give you another little tip. In early 1960s I had Farmalls 300, 130 and a Cockshutt 540. With above equipment I once baled and put in barn 9,000 bales in two consecutive days. Later I added Farmalls 560D and 656D to the tractor lineup. I say added as the old ones were not traded off. We never duplicated the 9,000 bales in two days again. Got 4,500 in one day numerous times but never two days in a row.

" Haying fast with square bales has more to do with manpower than horsepower." Precisely why those 60 hp tractors never duplicated the old 300. Labor was getting harder to find. I think we had close to 15 young men the time we did 9,000 bales in two consecutive days.

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txgrn

09-14-2005 05:53:27




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
Biggest problem I can see is if you have Live PTO or an overrun clutch. The flywheel on the baler will not let you stop the tractor if you don't have some kind of disconnect to get it off the tranny so that you can shift outta gear when you want to slow or stop.

Live PTO is better as you can feather your ground speed if you get into a wad of hay and the baler wants to bog down the tractor.

Tranny pto and overrun clutch won't let you do that without getting out of gear, revving, clearing the wad, and back in gear and moving down the field. As long as the baler is turning, you can't get back into gear.....as I recall.

The haybine really requires little to no power. The baler can be slowed down (ground speed) so that most any tractor can run it. I have used mine with a Ford 2000 rated right at 30 hp and had no problems on level to slow rolling terrain.

Mark

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Joe(TX)

09-14-2005 09:42:19




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to txgrn, 09-14-2005 05:53:27  
Most balers have an overrun clutch on the diveline already so stopping is not a problem. The rest of the things mentioned are a consideration though.



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paul

09-13-2005 23:03:41




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
Width of the haybine???? A 7" no problem, a 9" would be a challenge - i"m not sure what to say.

Baler - with/ without thrower? My baler combination for over 1/2 million bales has been an IHC 300 (about 36hp) with a NH 270 baler and a ~125 bale "manual" hayrack (last 3 years, a bale basket) on rolling hills. Works well.

How many bales or acres are you looking at? How tough is the hay to cut (type)?

You might be happer with a 50hp tractor, but the 35hp units will handle a small operation ok.

--->Paul

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Josh H

09-13-2005 18:22:36




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 Re: Implement horsepower requirements in reply to Ron Kruty, 09-13-2005 17:36:09  
They should handle a 7' haybine fine, a 9' might be a pretty heavy load for them. A baler without a thrower should also pull pretty easy. If you are on hills, you may not be able to pull a wagon behind the baler.



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