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Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ?

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Randy-IA

09-09-2005 17:02:28




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Hi , I saw that a 12' JD Van Brunt ( sp? ) grain drill with grass seed attachment is coming up for auction next weekend and was wondering what one would bring assuming it was in usable condition ? I don't even know what one looks like .? Are they good units ?

BTW - Fertilizer for 6 acres today - $400 applied . OUCH ! That's just for P and K with a small amount of N . Got soil tests back and found out that my dirt is about dead . But the PH is OK , between 6.3 and 6.8 . I'll put lime and a lot more N on next spring . I'm going to have to put this amount of P and K on again next spring too . And maybe next fall also if testing again shows need . No wonder I only got 460 or so bales off it this year ! The horses are going to eat their fill and still starve to death this winter :>) . I didn't smile out loud did I ? I'd like to get closer to 700 bales per cutting off 6 acres if that's possible . That work's out to be less than 3 ton an acre per cutting . Is that setting my sites to high for Brome , orchard , timothy and rye on 4 acres with about 50% alfalfa on the 2 acres I didn't mess with ? Thanks for all the thoughts ...Randy

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chuck Bolton

09-10-2005 08:52:50




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 Re: Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ? in reply to Randy-IA, 09-09-2005 17:02:28  
who did your soil test? who took the samples? i cannot imagine how you would get in the shape to need that much fertilizer on grass. i spend less than $20 per yr on grass and that includes application. honestly the farm has not been abused but $400 for 6 acres seems extremely high-- did the person who made your recommendation know what the crop was? that is rather high even for row crops.

the van brunt drill is a real good older drill. i keep one around and use it to drill oats, sudan and new hay fields--if you are over seeding pastures -- a no till drill will work better. but requires a large hp tractor to pull it--

good luck.

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Randy-IA

09-10-2005 10:09:46




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 Re: Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ? in reply to chuck Bolton, 09-10-2005 08:52:50  
Hi , I took the samples from the field and the local co-op sent them to a lab here in Iowa . This ground has been a part of a larger parcel of rental ground for decades and it's been in row crops that long . I bought this 6 acre piece when the entire parcel ( 250 acres ) was put up for sale because it was already on the plat maps as being part of this homestead ( 13 acres +/- ) . I've lived here 17 years ( as a renter of the other 7 acres ) and don't ever remember it getting any manure . I don't have the results in front of me but the P was in the very low category down in the single digits ( around 7 - 9 ppm ) and K was in the very low category also ( around 65 ppm ) . It's been row crops till last spring ( last crop was beans ) when I planted a grass alfalfa mixture and dumped N on it ( #180 an acre ) . But I couldn't get anyone to cut it so it got over grown in a hurry . Later in the year it just got knocked down with a rotary mower . Then again it was cut with a rotary mower . I got the equipment to make hay from it over last winter and this year so I didn't do any fertilizer at all for financial reasons . It's only to feed my wifes horses and I really don't expect ( with these prices maybe I should ) to make any money off it ( it IS only 6 acres ) . I don't know why the ground is so poor . My guess is it's been taken from more than it's been given to . I have plenty of horse manure that I can dump on it but once again I don't have any way of getting it from here to there . If I got a spreader ( it's on the list of want's and need's ) then I'd need some way to load it ( by hand is out of the question ! , a loader is also on the list ) cheap equipment first , loaders aren't cheap . So there you have it , two places I talked to said basicly the same amounts . P and K are badly needed . N is not a big problem because of the beans and alfalfa . I didn't get any tests done for micro nutrients . Sulfur was suggested just " because " . I asked about manganese and magnesium and boron and iron but was told this area was high in those naturally . The PH was in the mid to high 6's so it's good for another winter . Will do another application of the same amounts of P and K in the spring as a top dressing with N and a little lime . I'm tring to find someone close that has cattle or pigs that would be willing to spread some manure here . I guess that's all I know to do is take the local advice and throw more money at it . I want to put much more organic matter into the soil in addition to the chemicals to make it healthier . It just takes time . If the drill goes less than $100 I might get it if it's in good shape that is . Thanks ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

09-09-2005 18:50:27




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 Re: Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ? in reply to Randy-IA, 09-09-2005 17:02:28  
Randy, I"m sorry to hear it cost that much for fertilizer. Just took my soil in to be tested today, afraid to see what isn"t there :) I"m waiting for the rain showers are over with next week, than I"ll be mowing my over matured hay.

On the drill, I suppose you don"t know if it is steel or rubber wheeled do you. I believe they are a standard style drill, someone will correct me if I"m wrong. I"d say if the bottom of the hoppers aren"t rusted out, and it generally looks in good shape, it"d probably be a decent buy.

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Randy-IA

09-10-2005 09:04:42




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 Re: Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ? in reply to Rich Iowa, 09-09-2005 18:50:27  
Hi Rich , I must ask stupid questions or I offended everyone but you somehow because nobody but you will answer any of my question's anymore . Thank you .

Yeah , I almost got sticker shock when he said that ! The price is only an estimate you know because until it's loaded on the truck and then weighed they don't know for sure . That's the target price ( weight ) though .

I just saw the flier for the auction yesterday , so , no I haven't seen it ( The drill ) . I don't know if it would do me any good or not . I don't have any inside storage for my equipment . I just don't want the junkers to get it . Do you know if they do a good job with grass seed ? I did a search in the photo section and found one so at least I know what they look like .

I haven't been able to get in touch with the owner of that hoe yet . But I think that the price RickL gave you can't be beat . 50 bucks is a good price if it doesn't need any work . My guess is that the one I saw needs some work and is going to cost much more than that . I'll drive over and look at it today or tomorrow and let you know .

A neighbor I'm finally getting to know ( after 17 years ) is supposed to come over with his backhoe and dig a couple big disc killing rock's out of my field this weekend . I've been over at his house a few times this week after work helping him get some forms put up to pour a pad to put a garage on . Things I know how to do and he doesn't . So I haven't got much time to be on this computer thingy .

Last weekend I spent changing out bent and missing spikes in the spike drag , or did I mention that already ? Not something I'll ever do again ! What a pain - literally ! Blisters , cuts , puncture wounds - lots of fun ! I'm still recovering :-] . And I still have one section left to do . ugh ! I only had to replace 15 spikes and tighten a dozen or so others but it took over 8 hours of solid backbreaking labor . I tried hanging them up ( puncture wounds , cuts ) , on the ground ( backbreaking labor , cuts , blisters ) I can see why they are sold so cheap , nobody wants to work on them ! I still have to put new bolts in the axle pivots too . Then next week I think I'm putting it up for sale at auction . I haven't decided yet . I might wait till next spring .

I need to get moving now , I've been lazing around to long this morning not getting anything done , just means a later night . I'll have all winter to put the fat back on . Good luck with the choice of beans or hay . ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

09-10-2005 19:05:20




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 Re: Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ? in reply to Randy-IA, 09-10-2005 09:04:42  
Don"t feel bad, I ask a lot of stupid questions too. I"m going to an auction tomorrow to try and get another mower, for parts at least. Hope it goes cheap, just put a down payment on a 1996 Ford F250 today, go to the bank monday to finalize the loan. The joys of getting credit.

I"m thinking now about just fertilizing the hay, and see what happens next summer. That work exchange really works well. I usually work in exchange for the green stuff :) Have a good one, Rich

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Randy-IA

09-10-2005 21:39:01




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 Re: Van Brunt drill , fertilizer and hay yields ? in reply to Rich Iowa, 09-10-2005 19:05:20  
Hi Rich , I found out that that rotary hoe is going for $75 . It's a 14' unit . He has 3 . One has a sheetmetal shield over it to keep you safer and cleaner in an open station tractor . You can move faster without getting hit with a rock or clump of dirt I guess . He told me he didn't think any of them needed anything . But if you think you'll go with fertilizer on your hay field you may not want to spend the money for one of these . I was told that they can be useful if re-seeding an old hayfield without tillage , just throw down seed and run the hoe over it . It doesn't sound very practical to me or very effective but I don't know . With farming practices there seems to be a lot that defies logic .

A '96 you say ! WoW ! Sounds good ! I hope it works well for you . I drive a '96 at work sometimes and it's a good , solid , comfortable truck with good power . Good luck with it !

I think that in your situation fertilizer on the field is maybe the way to go considering the potential uncertainty of your ability to harvest beans next year . If you move on you won't lose as much I think . You might think about getting a lease from your Dad on that property . Pay him some rent and get it in writing . After all , it is a learning experience , right ;,] ? No matter what you decide Good luck with it ! ...Randy

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