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Oliver 1755 and size of disc

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Randy-IA

08-26-2005 16:30:26




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Hi , I borrowed a neighbors disc the other day to do the hayfield , a massey - ferguson model # unkown but it was 26' with 22" blades . I used it with the wings folded so it measured about 12' in the ground and my hitch in the low position to more or less keep the rear blades shallow . My tractor had a VERY hard time pulling this disc ! The soil was a little to damp but not wet and is mostly sandy - silt soil . Day one of about two hours after work I barely got 4 acres done in 2nd gear direct at about 3 mph . Did a lot of slipping and spun out a couple times in the upslope parts . I have single 18.4 - 34's with fluid . I didn't run out of power ever ( OK but only once ) just spun to a stop . Day two after work I went back over it to bust up the sod clumps , I know , it was to wet . What's done is done . So now to the question's - Since this 86 horse tractor wouldn't pull this disc very well was it - A) to big of blades IE: cutting to deep ? B) to wide of disc ? or C) to heavy with the wings folded up ? or D) all of the above ? What size disc should I look for ? I've been looking for a 18'er but now I'm not to sure that's a good idea . Can larger blades be put on a narrower but heavy built disc ? I want to cut deep or should I get that plow I've always wanted ? Back to the sod clumps , I used my new-to-me spike drag yesterday on them but it didn't do more than roll them along and today it rained all day . I really need that cultipacker now ! If I run over the clumps with the tractor tires they just fall apart and leave root balls . There's not enough clay to make solid clumps , but I can't aim at each and every root ball in the field :} Thanks for any new suggestions ...Randy

PS - seed won't be put in this weekend !

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Rich Iowa

08-27-2005 04:42:34




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Randy-IA, 08-26-2005 16:30:26  
Hi there Randy, My late uncle farmed up there, just north of Allison, his power tractor was a Minni-Mo G850 (1755 Oliver gas in a yellow suit). I believe he pulled an 18-20" disk. It is fairly heavy, compared to today"s standards. I think he also used a 24" field cultivator and a 4-16 or 4-18 semi-mount IH plow. Never seen him use the equipment except the plow, as he started renting out his 80 acres back in the late 80"s, my aunt didn"t meet him till the late 90"s.

I would think with all that extra weight above and the soil being wet, you would have a few problems. Traction would be an issue for sure. Throw some duals on her and see what she does. I"m about to buy a 14" IH disk, and a 4-16 pull-type Case plow for my 1650D. Need to give her a workout, and my clay soiled hay field should be plenty. Good luck on your field. Rich

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Randy-IA

08-27-2005 22:37:35




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Rich Iowa, 08-27-2005 04:42:34  
What up Rich ? Sounds like you have all your ducks in a row ! It would sure be nice if I had some kind of ag. background but I don't . I feel like I'm in kindergarten again! Don't know the first thing about most of what I'm doing and asking questions at the the dealers and getting any respect back is rare here . Though the JD dealer gave me his full attention and actually answered my questions in a way I could relate to . One thumb up for the local JD dealer ! Not so much for the two nearby AGCO dealers . One bit of advice that I did get today and I'm taking it with a grain of salt is the rule of thumb that a tractor can pull one foot of disc for every 5 horsepower on average . That makes a 17' - 18' disc the right size for my tractor . But I bought a 12' or 14' Krause today ! Not sure which because I didn't measure it . It's probably a 12 footer . It had 11 blades per quarter , 44 in all . Didn't get the Oliver disc that I wanted at the auction today ( a three bottom pull type ), it went for more than I could afford .

As for what I said about the soil being wet , all I meant was that it still has some moisture in it , it wasn't soggy or anything . It dried pretty good overnight and it's doing real good now . I took the drag over it a few times after it got dark tonight and was run off by the bugs in the worklight . Not a typo , I only have one operational light other than the blinking warning lights on the tractor . The two front lights work but aren't wired up since I rebuilt the engine ( I'm going to get at that tomorrow if I can ) and the second fender light is burned out I think , not really sure yet . After talking with a couple of dealers the JD dealer finally gave me some useful information as to what I probably did wrong and what type/size disc to look for . It seems that since I wasn't pulling the disc as level as possible it will pull a lot harder . I didn't want to mess with the owners adjustments and I was to lazy to get a wrench and crawl under the tractor to flip my hitch to get the tongue higher .

Anyway , duals aren't going to happen any time soon if at all . I don't have the equipment to lift a 18.4 - 34 tire and rim into place here on the place and besides , the field access isn't very wide . So I decided to get a narrower disc . I'm really interested in how that case plow works out for you so keep us informed will you ? Do you know what model the IH disc is ! I've noticed that there seem to be a lot of the 470 , 475 and 480's on the market . I don't know why this is but it makes me suspicious . If they were any good would there be so many for sale at dealers ? They don't look very adjustable . Good luck with your's , Take care ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

08-28-2005 05:46:15




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Randy-IA, 08-27-2005 22:37:35  
Mornin" Randy. Unfortanately, what I know most about is farming, and I don"t know a whole lot about it. I just read a lot, and think even more. One thing with the smaller disk, it will allow you to go 1, maybe 2 gears faster. So instead of 2nd Direct, you might be able to go in 3rd Over, maybe even 4th Under. Only one way to find out. I thought about finding some duals too, but for five acres of plowing and disking, doesn"t seem worth it.

I have some stuff to work on on my tractor too. I have a few seals that I need to replace, adding fluids will get old. And work on my lights, fix my new sickle mower, etc. Allways something to take my money. I"m happy I decided to buy a diesel instead of a gasser. Road diesel is the same price as Reg. unleaded around here. Ethonal is cheaper, but not by much.

I hope the plow works too. My tires are weather checked and about 50% tread, hope they hold up. I"m going to be plowing under a 5-6 year old hay field in clay soil. It"ll be a good work out. The disk is a 14" IH 37. I can still see the decal, only a couple disks are broken. Now, the bearings I don"t know about, wait and see on those. This disk has adjustment for angle on both front and rear gangs. Hoping to be getting them both soon. Later, Rich

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Randy-IA

08-28-2005 08:28:55




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Rich Iowa, 08-28-2005 05:46:15  
Mornin back at ya ! Ya gotta go with what ya know ! Myself , I don't know a lot about anything :) I muddle through somehow but it ALWAY'S cost's me more money in the long run . I gave up trying to get a good deal anymore . When I think I got a good deal it turns out that the seller was just better at hiding the problems than I was at finding them before the money changed hands . I don't have high expectations anymore so this disc will do OK .

I hear ya on the oil leaks ! I have to pull the engine in my tractor again this winter because a plug in the bellhousing end is leaking . I'm going to take that opportunity to change the couplers and chain and maybe the clutch . Couplers been clanking pretty loud when I upshift on the road .

I passed up two fuel barrels with stands last week for $5.00 each ! It's really getting old bringing fuel home 10 gallons at a time in 5 gallon cans . I didn't get there in time to look at them really so I didn't know if they had any rust or holes inside them or not .

The weatherchecking is on the tractor tires ? Try to hit some more larger auctions . The neighbor I borrowed the disc from just bought two 3/4 tread tires for $30.00 each for his tractor at an auction , I don't know the size but I'm sure they are bigger than my 18.4 - 34's . It still cost's to get them mounted !

4-16's ? That should wrinkle the sidewalls a bit if you bury it ! I really don't know but everyone here is suggesting I go with 3-18's or 4-16's with singles so maybe you can try it before you buy it so you aren't stuck with something your tractor won't pull ? Then again if you buy it and it won't pull it and you think it's in good shape otherwise I'd be interested in making you a profit . Let me know if you would be interested . Ya know , the fella that I'm getting this disc from told me , and I have a tendency to believe him , that you're going to burn up a lot of bearings on a disc because they aren't regreasable so don't sweat that part . But since the way they are assembled means a lot of work to get to the bearing on the far end of the adjusting nut might as well change them both when it's apart . The deere salesman yesterday talked with me about the adjusting part of a disc . He basicly said that if it's an old disc ( is there any other kind ? ) and it's adjustable to forget it's adjustable . It's been around long enough to have found where it works the best . He said and I paraphrase - Flatter gangs do a better job of smoothing and more angled blades are more agressive at cutting . Find the middle and leave it there . And that doesn't necessarily mean the middle of it's adjustment . It all depends on the disc . SO since it's been used for who knows how many moons it's probably at that point already .

By the way Rich the " mark is for inches and the ' is for feet . So if you're getting a 14" disc are you putting it with the Hotwheels collection ? Sorry I couldn't resist ;=} Take care ...Randy

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Rich Iowa

08-28-2005 09:01:28




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Randy-IA, 08-28-2005 08:28:55  
It must be nice having 2 fuel cans. I bring the fuel to my tractor 5 gal. at a time :). Haven"t used it much, so I only filled up 1/2 way, can"t tell I"ve used the tractor.

I"m thinking of buying new tires for the 1650 this next spring, if the money"s there. Newer truck might have to come first. Drive one truck while I"m fixing the other one, by the time I get that fixed, the other truck needs fixed. Joys of truck ownership.

Getting the plow from the guy that used to rent my dad"s place up to last year when I got into the hay business. He pulled it behind a Farmall 560 across the road from us. The moldboards don"t show any signs of wear, getting some rust but should shine right up. Even the tires are holding air. I"ll be plowing this fall, if it doesn"t do good with my 1650, I"ll give ya a holler.

I know the differance between feet and inches, but I guess my computer doesn"t. I"ll have to start typing out the words. The disk I will be getting for $100-150, so I think it"ll work wheather I adjust it or not. Better get out and get to work. Have a good one, Rich

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Don-Wi

08-26-2005 23:17:12




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Randy-IA, 08-26-2005 16:30:26  
If traction was the problem, get some duals. We have a light JD disk, 14' that used to be pulled by our 1600 w/out duals. We pull it behind our Massey 285(85 hp) in 1st gear High (4th) and we use duals for almost all of our tillage, but sometimes not. Pulls it just fine. Those duals help bust up them dry chunks of grass too.

Also if it had that much steel above the ground, that is a LOT more weight to be dragged around. I'd probably go for a 14' disk, nice heavy unit if possible. Donovan from Wisconsin

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Randy-IA

08-27-2005 21:36:35




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Don-Wi, 08-26-2005 23:17:12  
Hi Don , I don't have any means to put on and take off duals right now so that's not in the cards . I went to an auction again today and there was a 3 bottom Oliver pull type plow with a rear gauge wheel there that needed some TLC but was used last spring to till their garden . It had a broken frame weld behind the tongue and a broken colter arm ( the bent bar that holds the colter spring mechanism ) on the front . I didn't even bid when they started the bidding at $150 . It went for $210 . They auctioned a Krouse disk ( 12' or 14' ) just before the plow , it also needed some ( a lot ! ) TLC . I didn't bid on it either even though I really wanted it because I wanted the plow more , it went for a measly $75 ! I would have had to replace almost all the front gang blades before I could use it though . So all I got was 3 drag sections for the the cast teeth for $5.00 . Not bad . Another note - there was a 1949 IH - H with poor paint and one bad rear tire but ran great on the block that went for about $1900 ! I was amazed at that price ! Oh well ! I then went over to a tractor jockey friend of mine who I have gotten a few of my impliments from without to many problems and got an identical Krouse disc only with a hyd. cylinder . I may have paid to much for it ( $180 ) , but that's OK the hyd. cylinder makes up for it , and he stands behind what he sells so far and I don't feel as though I've been burned by him yet . It needs a couple blades and a bearing but he's going to give those to me and I'll learn how hard it really is to change the blades of a 25+ year old disc ! I want to bring it home tomorrow but I don't know if I can find the time but within the next couple days for sure . He's the same guy I'm getting the brillion cultipacker from which I looked over a little more closely today . It's in pretty good shape I think . The frame is cast iron and there are no cracks , but the sprocket inserts between the smooth rollers are real loose with about an 1-1/2" of slop in them and there are a few missing and a few getting ready to be missing ( cracked ) , the smooth ones are reasonably tight together and don't wobble to much on the axle shaft . From what I've read on this forum the asking price of $300 isn't to bad for a 16' packer ( 10' center and two 3' pups ) . Uh , sorry for the long post , I just type what I'm thinking and I think a lot :) Take care ....Randy

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Don-Wi

08-28-2005 08:45:47




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 Re: Oliver 1755 and size of disc in reply to Randy-IA, 08-27-2005 21:36:35  
The only means we have is our muscles, maybe a loader if we have to move them far. All I have to do is run the tractor up on a 2x6 or so, line up the valve stems and push them together, and have a clamp ready. I can mount the duals on either tractor inless than an hour, although the 18.4-34's on our 285 are a little bit easier than the 38's on our 1855. I seen a 16' cultipacker at the local massey dealer, kinda interested but I don't know how much they want for it.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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