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Fire dangers/ diesel or gas?

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Loren

08-20-2005 21:33:35




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How many of you have an opinion on whether to run gas or diesel tractors while haying, due to fire dangers? I myself am leaning towards diesel, but I'm sure not a haying expert. Loren.




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randy ,k

08-23-2005 12:49:22




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to Loren, 08-20-2005 21:33:35  
We run all diesel and the only fire we had was caused by diesel and chaft on the fuel tank ignited by a hole in the muffler. It caused 200 dollars damage but if it would of been gas it would of been a right off.Now I carry a fire extinguisher.



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rambler

08-21-2005 07:54:59




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to Loren, 08-20-2005 21:33:35  
The fire danger comes from other things - wad of dry grass on the muffler, electrical short, etc.

Diesel is slightly safer as gasoline is explosive & vaporizes at all different temps, a spark can blow you up almost any time, it's harder to ignite diesel & if it does it just bakes you in a VERY hot fire, gasoline blows you up first & then cooks you.

--->Paul



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txgrn

08-21-2005 07:29:03




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to Loren, 08-20-2005 21:33:35  
I don't like having an under carriage exhaust when hayin or mowin; diesel or gas. If I had to have one or the other with undercarriage, I would take diesel.

Some people post on here about their diesels throwing sparks. The only time one of mine did it is when I had it redlined and covered the radiator so that it could get good and hot. In normal operation none of them (mine) throw sparks.

Mark

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Leroy

08-21-2005 17:53:16




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to txgrn, 08-21-2005 07:29:03  
Sparks I was refering to would be like from rust flakes getting red hot and letting loose and no muffler would not give a cooldown chance and that could be on anything, I don't know if a diesel could from combustion make any sparks or not but any dirt that got into the pipe could cause some fire out the pipe



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txgrn

08-22-2005 07:05:14




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to Leroy, 08-21-2005 17:53:16  
My experience was on the 3000 I bought that was worn out. Prior to biting the bullet and doing an engine in-frame, I was trying to get it to run right. Thought it had a crudded fuel system among other things. So I'd put solvent in the fuel and wind yer up. She was blowing hot pieces of carbon out is all I can guess.

Mark



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Leroy

08-21-2005 06:52:28




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to Loren, 08-20-2005 21:33:35  
Never owned a diesel. The fire dangers come from grass comming in contact with something hot like an exaust pipe or sparks blown out of a straight pipe and diesel will blow those sparks as well as gas but most danger would be from either a malfuction as the other poster had with batery cables but most would come from dry hay-grass-straw colecting against a hot exaust system. Consider the low down system on a Ford type tractor with the exaust against the burnable material or the exaust on top ; IHC H,M, JD A,B, AC WD and others. That is why when doing that type of work we put on a vertical muffler on the 2N Ford or Ferguson 30. That got it above the grass level when working so as not to catch and drag the grass

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kyhayman

08-21-2005 00:01:50




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 Re: Fire dangers/ diesel or gas? in reply to Loren, 08-20-2005 21:33:35  
I have only owned two gas tractors, and used very few others. Growing up we had them and there still are several around. Havent seen one casue a fire haying related to being gas/ As far as fire hazard when haying, I've been through my share of nasty tractor fires. All with diesels, all electrical. Could have happened with a gas tractor just as easily.

1210 Case DB, battery in very front with front mounted hydraul pump, cable got against pump drive shaft, shorted out, ignited hay and oil under pump. No damage.

1290 Case DB, battery able shorted out same way as on 1210, pc of hot cable fell into windrow and started windrow fire, no damage to the tractor but lost 3 acres hay.

2090 Case, cab pinched wiring, fire under cab, $1000 damage. Same tractor, broke new cab mount 2 years later, fire inside the cab, total loss.

For me, the attraction to diesel is 1. only choice one newer tractors, 2. better fuel economy (I've blown through 80 gallons of gas in a day on a 4030JD), 3. less down time

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