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Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions

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Bill VA

08-18-2005 18:43:20




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My Father-in Law has a camp that is on top of a somewhat steep hill.
Leading-up to the camp is a dirt road that was cut into the side of
the hill. As you travel up the road, to one side isf a bank going-up
and to the other, a bank going down. Rather than zig-zag up
the hill, the road shoots straight-up.

My F-I-L is unable to maintain the road due to his health and has
asked me if I can help. Some parts of the road are in pretty good
shape, but there are sections where the water has run down the length
of the road and made some ruts where one"s tire tracks would go.
This leaves a hump in the middle that - if you are not careful, can
cause the truck to drag.

Sooooo , my question is - what are some good techniques I can use to
repair/restore this old dirt road?

BTW, it would be very difficult to get a heavy piece of equipment to
this location for a variety of reasons, and so it is either use a
shovel and pick and a combination of my old Wheelhorse tractor with blade and
rear mounted scoope or nothing!

Here are some of my thoughts/ideas:

1. It would do no use to re-load the road with a thick layer of
gravel again. It
would just wash out and if it didn"t, you"d spin on the gravel trying
to go up the hill.

2. I thought about first using my old Wheelhorse tractor to knock down the
center crown (if I can cut it with my front or mid blade or with a
rear plow) and spread the dirt into the tire tracks to each side.
Then, cut a series of shallow water breaks that would divert water
off the road. Finally, I"d put down a thin layer of gravel to hold
the dirt and give some traction.

All ideas appreciated.

Thanks!
Bill

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Bill Deering

08-19-2005 09:14:21




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
Here is a link to building roads.

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/stewardship/accessroads/accessroads.htm



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Bill Deering

08-19-2005 09:09:21




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
Here is a link to building roads.

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/stewardship/accessroads/accessroads.htm



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bcPA

08-19-2005 08:12:47




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
first I would fill in the ruts with no. threes or fours, ie stone the size of your fist . The running water should not be able to tumble them down the ruts when it rains and then fill in with what we call modified, ie mixed screenings and three quarter and smaller stone. If a full size pick up can use this road then a masons dump truck with a 8 ft. long dump box should be able to deliver stone and spread it. One caution a ton of material placed with a shovel by hand goes a lot farther than a ton spread out the back of a truck with the box lifted and the tailgate chained to open only a limited amount. There are sites on the computer for building forestry roads that give specs and suggestions for building logging roads. They tell you how to make water bars with 2x6s or logs and how to place and how often depending on the slope of your road ect and other useful info ect. I found them by searching and dont recall the web site address.

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Leroy

08-19-2005 05:24:56




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
If you can get a pickup truck in there then you can get a small dozer in and no wheelhorse will have the ability to do the job and after you get it leveled check into some of those produsks where they claim will keep cows and such from going down in a mud hole



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GaryMA

08-19-2005 05:13:40




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
Also, try offset driving....try not driving in exactly the same track...even if it's only a tire width or two different each time. This will extend the time it takes to create a rut and extend the time between periodic maintenance. I've done this for 18 years on my 1000' drive. I always drive to the left so I can watch the front tire when I'm close to the edges. (my wife just doesn't get it?) Best of luck!

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Jerry D in NC

08-19-2005 03:51:28




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
Waterbars and a well crowned road are the first requirement. If it is necessary then slant the road to the lower side. You do not want water running "down the Road". You need to get it off the road and onto the grass below so by building the road so the water will go off the side that will drain. With that being said, you will still need to cut some waterbars across the road every so often to stop anything that does come down the road and divert it to the lower side before it gets speed and volume. We have a product down here in NC called "Crush and Run" which works alot like Donovan's screening. It is a mix of screening and gravel that makes a solid surface once packed. But what ever you use for surfacing will work better if you get the road shaped correctly.

There is one other option if you can get the dirt leveled out and draining the right way and the traffic is light on this camp road (i.e. 1 truck a week or so), is to tear up the top 1" or so of ground and plant a good grass that grows well in your area. That stops the need for gravel and waterbars and will hold the road for years. That is what we did on our farm paths in the hills where I grew up. Worked great and was cheap. Just tell whoever is driving on it to be careful and don't go spinning tires and tearing up the ground...

That is going to be one massive job for the "Mighty Wheelhorse" but with enough patience you can get it done. That old MF50 with a blade tilted might move more dirt.... LOL

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Hugh MacKay

08-19-2005 02:06:37




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
Bill: Secret here is stopping water runoff from getting volume and speed. Best way to stop that is catch basins with culverts through the road.

Once you get it graded right to do this, a product that will hold things well is recycled asphalt. Put that down on a hot day and roll it well, it makes a teriffic road. As I understand your hill is quite steep, and the asphalt will stop your vehicles from slippage and digging. It will surprise you how little of this product it will require. Problem is in some areas this product is available reasonable prices and other areas not.

Also check in the area for sands and gravel, that pack well. I had a small deposit of gravel on my farm that worked well for this. There were gravel deposits all around the area that weren't worth a damn.

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Don-Wi

08-18-2005 21:27:43




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
We've had good luck with screenings filling in a huge waterhole where our cows walk around the barn. Always used to be a sink hole everytime it would rain, but 2 years ago we had 2 loads of screenings dumped in. They pack down and form a solid base, almost like concrete. The trick is to get it thick enough, not just 2-3" on top of muck, but maybe 4-6" would do it.

Whether or not it'll work in your case, I don't know, but a good truckl driver should be able to spread it out some when dumping. It'll be a little soft at first, but it'll pack down after getting wet/ driven on.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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brian 1

08-18-2005 19:25:38




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 Re: Dirt Road Repair Maint. Questions in reply to Bill VA, 08-18-2005 18:43:20  
Sound like you are going to need several waterbars unless you are going to maintain this road and regrade/fill every rain. Search road drainage or waterbars for once you have the surface repaired. They will slow waterflow and erosion for you.



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