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Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa seed

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Joe in IN

08-17-2005 18:49:04




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I was going to roll my seeding(a la Allan and others). Leroy noted cultipacker is good...cultimulcher is not.... What the difference?




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Leroy

08-18-2005 06:05:18




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Joe in IN, 08-17-2005 18:49:04  
A cultimulcher has those teeth with all that extra frame to be wieghing twice what just the rollers do and cultimilchers did dot have a carry axle for more rears than the ones with carry axle and when turning would want to slide a set of rollers sideways and burrey the seed way to deep and you want just a firm seed bed, not packed down like concrete that overweight will do. Look at the Brillion sure-stand seeders and you will see that the cultimulcher that he has will have about twice the weight on the rollers as the sure-stand seeder. sometimes the extra weight would not hurt but again it would wspecialy if you got a packing downpoor of rain then dried off right away that seed would be packed in the ground so tight it could not come up thru the crust the same as many cornfields have been replanted because and then in those corn fields a rotary hoe would not even loaded penetrate the crust, now if you do not have the heavy clay and do not get the crusting rains right after planting you would be ok

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Leroy

08-18-2005 06:34:33




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Leroy, 08-18-2005 06:05:18  
A bit more, most cultipackers are single roller with a few double roller, if you look at that sure-stand seeded you will se that the seed is droped between the rollers and only the back one pakes the seed in to get that 1/4" depth the seed is supposed to be at, now if you run 2 rollers over it the seed will cet placed at bore like 1/2" depth, if he could mount that drill where the teeth are in the cultimulcher then it would place the seed where it is supposed to be. On our ground drilling soybeans we would pull what we called a foot roller behind the drill, would firm the seed in but not overpack like a cultipacker would to crust ans seed not to be able to get out of ground and those heavy cultimulchers will weigh about as much per square in on the groung as the sheepsfoot rolers used in road building, the only thing they have the feet that packs harder than the smooth roller

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Leroy

08-18-2005 19:31:30




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Leroy, 08-18-2005 06:34:33  
When I posted the others I forgot about Allen's packer having the crowfoot wheels. They are designed to work the soil and pack an inch or two under the top of ground with the ground on top being loose, now pull that over the seed on top of freshly prepaired seedbed and you will end up with seed burried 1" or more deep. That cultimulcher Allen has must weigh 3500-4000# and that much behind the drill would pull that drill apart. I have not planted any alfalfa for years but remember how to do it and still have the equipment. Just checking in the Sears cat of 1956 on weight for packers and mulchers and for my size the mulcher (Drawn, not wheel carried)1552#, double packer 1022# and single packer 574#. On my small acreage I now have corn in and to soybeans for 06 with wheat harvest for 07 and plan to disk loose, spring tooth harrow followed with spike tooth harrow hooked together, then drill with seed tubes shooting out the back on top of the ground with cover chains on with single sprocket cultipacker hooked to back of drill to firm seed in. Not the single packer with all standard packer wheels or the double packer or the cultimulcher as those would all make the seed packed in to hard and I have all those, next year for beans the drill with packer same as for the alfalfa but with a spike tooth harrow in back of the packer back of the drill, and my ground crusts bad

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TP from Central PA

08-17-2005 19:46:03




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Joe in IN, 08-17-2005 18:49:04  
Cultimulcher has row of packer wheels in the front, spring tooth teeth in the center, and another row of packer wheels on the rear all on a frame that has a lift axle..... .Cultipacker has just a row of solid wheels and don't lift and can only be end transported(Everyone I've ever seen for that matter).

After we drilled our Alfalfa and cover crop on with the drill, we'd get our neighbors Brillion Cultimulcher and set the spring tooth teeth so they went into the ground a tad with all the weight off the lift axle..... ....Then we'd work the field at a angle. This way the teeth would level the ridges and the solid wheels would firm everything up..... ....Worked darn good. Old Timers here have an old saying..... ."If you can't drive out across a well established hay field at 40 mph easily after a cutting was taken off, you didn't do enough in the begining"..... ...

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Allan in NE

08-18-2005 06:10:21




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to TP from Central PA, 08-17-2005 19:46:03  
Aw ha!

Now I see where you are coming from. This is another one of those 'regional' things again. :>)

Out here we call those single axle jobs a "roller" and the tandem outfits we call a "packer".

Allan



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Allan in NE

08-17-2005 18:57:03




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Joe in IN, 08-17-2005 18:49:04  
Hi Joe,

I have no idea what he is talking about either. A roller is a roller, isn't it? 'Cause a feller would want to lift the teeth anyway, right? :>(

Allan



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Joe in IN

08-17-2005 19:00:58




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Allan in NE, 08-17-2005 18:57:03  
Mine has two rollers with some teeth in between.. I didn't figure I would lower the teeth.... just roll... I guess that'll work....



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mike brown

08-18-2005 03:30:42




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Joe in IN, 08-17-2005 19:00:58  
I've used them that way (teeth up) and it worked just fine. They turn rather hard so you might want to raise it when you turn around.



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Allan in NE

08-17-2005 19:06:53




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Joe in IN, 08-17-2005 19:00:58  
Yep,

Me too. Wouldn't use the thing at all, 'cept I've never done a fall planting before and I don't wanna take a chance on loosing that expensive seed.

Ground is working up perfectly with just the right amount of moisture and texture. I've got just about two more hours on the disc and then I can start the drill rolling.

My packer must be just like yours.

Allan



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RickL

08-18-2005 05:01:27




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Allan in NE, 08-17-2005 19:06:53  
Allen if you are moldboarding aLL THE TIME THEN YOU NEED TO FIND YOU A DISC MULCHER and you can forget the disc. It is a unit with disc blades up front,then field cultivator tines then a hugh roller on the rear, in those conditioners it works very well



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Allan in NE

08-17-2005 18:54:03




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 Re: Cultimulcher vs Cultipacker Rolling Alfalfa se in reply to Joe in IN, 08-17-2005 18:49:04  
Hi Joe,

I have no idea what he is talking about either. A roller is a roller, isn't it? 'Cause a feller would want to lift the teeth anyway, right? :>(

Allan



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