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Hay Preservitve Applicator

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IH 1466

08-14-2005 09:40:56




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Has anyone made up their own hay applicator? Seems you could take one of those expensive 4-wheeler sprayers and mount it to your baler and with some modification would work fine. What is the is the best preservitve used and what are the pro's and con's of using a preservitive?

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John




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broker farmer

08-15-2005 07:42:00




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to IH 1466, 08-14-2005 09:40:56  
Buffered propionic acid is the best to use. Works great on moisture levels up to about 26%, don't exceed that. Main thing is to get the correct calibration on your pump. You need to apply about 6-8 lbs per ton of hay. You need to time and weigh the amount of hay you are baling per hour and then calibrate the pump to put on the corresponding amount of product. I use a manual control. The electric controls are good and convenient but expensive. THE MOST IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION is KNOWING WHAT THE MOISTURE IS IN YOUR HAY! Don't guess at it..... ...you'll be wrong! I use an inline moisture tester mounted inside the bale chamber that gives me a constant moisture reading as I am baling. I've used propionic acid for about 5 years now with great success. Don't try to sell treated hay to horse people..... .they're just looking for a reason to..... ..... ..oh well, 'nuff said.

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RickL

08-15-2005 06:55:23




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to IH 1466, 08-14-2005 09:40:56  
I have a small electric pump and shutoffs I took off the baler that I bought that the fellow passed away before using I was told,anyway its laying here, all you would need is tank looks like. I suppose it still works never put juice to it. I f you sell your hay be sure to find out first if they will buy it with the stuff on it. I was going to do it too until my customers heard I was going to do it,simple response was you treat we will not buy it,don't ask me why all I know is thats what I get,same with large squares in my hay selling business I have no luck with the large squares as the response I get is if I want rotten hay I will ask for large square. Somebody has been burned with some bad stuff suppose and word of mouth will make or break ya,I prefer small square anyway,its the best way to sell hay still in my operation period.

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kyhayman

08-14-2005 10:24:08




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to IH 1466, 08-14-2005 09:40:56  
Actually would be easy to do except for the control box to regulate presure. I have a unit I purchased from a company in Owensboro, KY. It was about $300. That works out to a $129 ATV sprayer, plus the $100 electrical controller, and they made $71 for profit and research on the unit plus the calibration tables.

As far as preservatives to use, the only ones with a lot of impartial research behind them are based on propionic acid or buffered propionic acid (better choice, not as rough on your equipment). I used it for years, really liked it. It improves leaf retention, lets you get marginal hay up earier to avoid rain, etc. Only real disadvantages for me was care in storage (moisture will migrate out of the treated hay and if it touches untreated hay boom) and the bales get loose when the moisture migrates out. Some customers (esp equine mkt) freak out if you use it but I never had a problem selling it. Finally there is the cost issue, it adds $20-$30 a ton to your overhead and slows down baling to keep checking moisture to vary the rate of application.

I quit when I went to wrapping round bales in stretch film for silage. Just no reason to put the extra effort into small squares for the acid when rolled and wrapped was netting the same profit. I still do small squares as dry hay, but if any doubt roll and wrap. Feel free to email if you have more questions.

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IH 1466

08-15-2005 20:56:49




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to kyhayman, 08-14-2005 10:24:08  
I guess i should proof read my post. I meant to say inexpensive sprayer. Kyhayman do you have the contact info on the applicator? I will leave my e-mail address open.

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Seth_ia

08-15-2005 20:23:29




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to kyhayman, 08-14-2005 10:24:08  
I just bought a big square baler w/ an applicator on it. I have never used preserative before. I found 69% buffererd acid for 75 cents/pound. I have not actually read the label but that is what the salesman said over the phone. Is this a good deal? I know harvest-tek is running over a dollar a pound.



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kyhayman

08-16-2005 03:53:21




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to Seth_ia, 08-15-2005 20:23:29  
Sounds like a great deal to me, I never paid less than a dollar a pound and sometimes a lot more.



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kyhayman

08-15-2005 13:57:08




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to kyhayman, 08-14-2005 10:24:08  
The wrapped round bales weighing in at 1500# each on average for a 4x4. Priced at $33 a bale makes it $44 a ton on an as baled basis ($33 per roll). Yield is running between 14 and 15 tons per acre wet for alfalfa/orchard grass (v/s 6 tons per acre for dry square bales) for a $616 gross per acre. The dry squares at $120 ($3 a bale) a ton gross me $720 an acre. Costs are lower in that I have 5 hours less total machine time in each acre for a savings of $150 less the cost of hiring the wrapping ($50 per acre) neting a $100 an acre savings. This also does not account for the savings in the hay not getting rained on, and the increased speed of operations. Storage loss, in my case runs just under 10% on dry hay, storage loss on the wrapped hay last year was a little over 3%. I knew wrapped hay seemed like it was making more money and causing me less stress. I do keep detailed records and came out rather shocked at the savings the first year I wrapped inline, and the numbers have improved every year as has demand and price.

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broker farmer

08-15-2005 08:19:51




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 Re: Hay Preservitve Applicator in reply to kyhayman, 08-14-2005 10:24:08  
How do you price your silage bales so as to net the same price?



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