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Planting hay- alfalfa

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Tom 8N396936

08-03-2005 06:05:21

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Hayfield is a litlle lean in alfalfa. I really don't want to redo the whole thing this year. Any ideas for the best way to get some alfalfa in this fall or spring? I am in NE Ohio. Should it be drilled , broadcast and cultipacker, light disc then broadcast?
Any suggestions welcome.
tom

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Jimmy King

08-11-2005 01:55:59

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Tom 8N396936, 08-03-2005 06:05:21

I have had very good luck drilling red clover in old alfalfa stands.

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nwb

08-04-2005 19:01:13

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Tom 8N396936, 08-03-2005 06:05:21

I agree with what has been said. Would interseeding Orchard and Rye grass be an option for you? This would save your hay field, but maybe it would not work in you market.

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Tom 8N396936

08-05-2005 04:52:23

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to nwb, 08-04-2005 19:01:13

OK here is the thing- there is very very little alfalfa and it is just here or there. I understand about the toxicity issues of existing stand but I think I will be OK with that. I was just wonerding the best way to get seed in the ground after I get second cut this year.
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tom

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08-05-2005 11:03:23

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Tom 8N396936, 08-05-2005 04:52:23

You have received the best advice on what to do.
If you are bound and determined to do this anyway
a no-till drill is the most superior method known to man for the artifical introduction of seed into soil contact without desturbing the soil surface.

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Allan in NE

08-03-2005 14:17:46

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Tom 8N396936, 08-03-2005 06:05:21

Tom,

You"re not alone; I gotta go thru the same process on 70 acres.

Gots to plow "er up and put in an interim crop for at least one season "cause the big boys tell me to keep new alfalfa away from it for at least one year.

Allan

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ChrisLSD

08-03-2005 08:26:53

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Tom 8N396936, 08-03-2005 06:05:21

an old alfalfa plant develops somehing called autotoxicity. it puts something in th esoil which kills off all neighboring plants and keeps them from growing. So basically anything you plant into an existing alfalfa stand will not have a great chance. I have also read that some people believe this only lasts a few weeks - so if you kill the existing stand - then wait a couple weeks then plant you might have a better shot....

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Indydirtfarmer

08-03-2005 06:56:00

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Tom 8N396936, 08-03-2005 06:05:21

You can't seed alfalfa into an exsisting stand of alfalfa.... Won't work..... You need one year interval between eradication and re-planting.

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coinfused

08-03-2005 07:42:01

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-03-2005 06:56:00

Could you explain that a little better? I have a small plot that was overseeded with alfalfa the year before I took it over and it has come along pretty heavy with alfalfa. SE Michigan.

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paul

08-03-2005 08:47:52

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to coinfused, 08-03-2005 07:42:01

Old alfalfa plants kill off new alfalfa seedlings. They release a chemical into the ground that does not allow the new plants to sprout. Studies have shown this effect goes up to 2 feet from the old established alfalfa plant, closer to the old plant the less likely the new seed will sprout.

Now, when you & I spray to kill weeds, we miss a few right? So it is with the alfafla auto toxicity. Generally the chemical breaks down in 1-2 months of warm weather. In some extreme dry condtions the chemical is not produced. Sometimes it is real strong & lasts 3 months or more.

So, people have mixed results with planting new alfalfa into old alfalfa. It will work once in a while.

But, it very often is a waste of seed & time. To ensure a good alfalfa seeding, one should destroy all old alfalfa plants & wait 3 months before reseeding new alfalfa.

Just reseeding alfalfa into old alfalfa may sometimes work under the right condtions, but most of the time is is a waste of seed & only 10% or less will actually grow.

--->Paul

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Indydirtfarmer

08-03-2005 09:10:17

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Re: Planting hay- alfalfa in reply to paul, 08-03-2005 08:47:52

What Paul said..... ..... ....I agree 100%....

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