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Old Wagon Wheel lubrication

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JD Family

07-27-2005 12:47:35




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I have an old John Deere running gear.
It has rubber tires. But the wheels do not have bearings. They have large caps on the hubs with a grease zerk. The axle is square, then there is an iron tube over that and then the wheel fits snuggly over that to turn. The grease just never gets into where it needs to get. And the hubs get hot, and one froze up. Any suggestions on how to resolve that?
Thanks

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James2

07-29-2005 10:19:25




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 Re: Old Wagon Wheel lubrication in reply to JD Family, 07-27-2005 12:47:35  
I wouldn't be surprised if the grease zerks were added. Remove the wheel and see if there a couple of grease grooves inside the wheel hubs. If it doesn't have bearings, you should be using old wagon wheel grease. Its a rubbery kind of grease, we had some and you could stretch it several feet. I built a barge wagon using a real old wooden wheel running gear and replaced the wood wheels with old Montgomery-Wards steel hubs/rubbber tires made for this purpose. Dad had been using this old grease on plow bottoms, but enough remained to service the wheels. Filled the two grooves and lathered the wagon hub, and this one geasing lasted five years which included some road travel (not above 20 mph). Probably the only ones that know much about it are the old steam engineers. Look for someone in their 80's and ask them if they know where to get this type grease. Unfortunately, I suspect it went away with the passenger pigeon and Dodo bird.

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Fern(Mi)

07-27-2005 18:45:40




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 Re: Old Wagon Wheel lubrication in reply to JD Family, 07-27-2005 12:47:35  
I�ve seen some strange arrangements. This wagon could well have gone back to horse drawn steel rims, the rims set aside for auto rims and tires. Anyway if horse drawn, likely the hubs were greased every four hours of use. Could be up need to take apart, clean and otherwise polish the surfaces and grease those hubs every three/four hours use. More so under unintended heavy loads.

Have made replacement maple bearings for discs, a cult packer, and other old implements. Nothing surprises me any more the way things were once done; from crude out of round needle bearings, to Babbitt bearings, to brass, to maple or oak bearings, to recently replace fiberglass bushings in/on a late model tractor steering axel.
Fernan

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Leroy

07-27-2005 18:01:23




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 Re: Old Wagon Wheel lubrication in reply to JD Family, 07-27-2005 12:47:35  
I cannot quite figure out what you have, the 802 gear had brass bushing type of bearings and was only avaible on steel wheels, all other steel frame wagon gears used roller bearings. Could it be a wood axle wagon with either cut down to rubber or replacement wheels and hubs put on, if it is wood then are the insides of the hub and axle tapered with one large nut to hold the wheel on?



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