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Randy-IA

07-24-2005 07:57:25




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Hi , I was on Iron search and found what looks like a 6 bottom Massey-Ferguson plow . It's only 18 miles from me and the price is right . I once again admit I'm a uninformed dummy about farm equipment even though I spent a good portion of my younger years on my grandparents farm in Georgia . But they had an egg operation , raised cattle , horses , hay and that was about it . So enough of my background . I posted earlier about some rough areas in the hay field . This plow is serious overkill for that but I'd like to learn about it as best I can and try plowing just for fun . And you all are the ones to help make that happen ! This plow has hydraulic cylinders on the back of each bottom (?) , is that the reset ? What is a coulter ? It doesn't look like it has those ( place correct name here ) things on top to turn the dirt back down to the ground . Where can I find out about the names of all the possible parts on a plow and what each parts function is ? Hopefully the links will show up so you can look at it . Would a 1755 (86 or so horsepower ) pull it ? Thanks for letting me pick your brains ! ...Randy

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Stupid Inc

07-24-2005 19:24:36




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
Perhaps GRJ just wants to get us going.



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GRJ

07-24-2005 15:47:26




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
Where do they find you guys asking these stupid questions? Surely someone has to pay you to do this.



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Hurst

07-24-2005 19:06:16




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to GRJ, 07-24-2005 15:47:26  
Where do they find you guys making these stupid comments? Surely someone has to pay you to do this and be so much of an A$$. The guy asked a simple question. Next time you have a question I guess we will just pass over it and think "He is so smart that he is just wasting our time". Think before you post man, he was looking for a couple of answers to help him get started. Wouldn't surprise me if you don't own a single piece of equipment and are just in here to make snide and hypocritical remarks like this. Lighten up on the guy.

Hurst

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Onefarmer

07-24-2005 18:32:10




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to GRJ, 07-24-2005 15:47:26  
It takes a "smart" person to ask a question. That is what these forums are all about. Asking and getting answers. So what is your problem?



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Allan in NE

07-24-2005 17:04:43




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to GRJ, 07-24-2005 15:47:26  
I don't like your attitude.

Randy has aready proven he is a lot sharper than you'll ever be, Bub.

Allan



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Randy-IA

07-24-2005 15:41:39




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
Hi All , Thanks for the learning experience ! My brother-in-law has always told me it was about 15 horsepower per bottom but I didn't know to ask what size bottoms . But he hasn't worked on a farm in over 40 years :? ] . What does the bottom size translate to ( Say 14" versus 18" )and how does that affect the way it pulls ? . What size plow or disc would work my tractor without killing it in a slightly sandy soil ? I have single wheels and they are about 60-70% fluid filled . This is probably a moot point since the prices I've been finding at the dealers on Ironsearch ( I figure about 25% lower if found off the dealers lot ) are way out of the range I can afford for something I'll use once or twice in 5 years . Maybe at an auction this fall I'll find a good one or the other . What brands in addition to Oliver should I look for ? And Thanks again for listening and answering these questions ... Randy

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barryinmn

07-25-2005 16:45:44




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 15:41:39  
I picked up a JD 3600 4x18 on-land hitch plow for $800 last year. It is adjustable 16"-18"-20" with shims & depth as well. Rides on its own 3 wheels. Wide spacing is good for trash or sod. I pull it with a Zetor 4341 MFWD 55PTO with no problems. (10K lb tractor.)

Most of the decent semi mounts I was outbid at during auctions & found this in a local paper, works better anyway for slopes.



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barryinmn

07-25-2005 16:45:40




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 15:41:39  
I picked up a JD 3600 4x18 on-land hitch plow for $800 last year. It is adjustable 16"-18"-20" with shims & depth as well. Rides on its own 3 wheels. Wide spacing is good for trash or sod. I pull it with a Zetor 4341 MFWD 55PTO with no problems. (10K lb tractor.)

Most of the decent semi mounts I was outbid at during auctions & found this in a local paper, works better anyway for slopes.



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barryinmn

07-25-2005 16:37:58




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 15:41:39  
I picked up a JD 3600 4x18 on-land hitch plow for $800 last year. It is adjustable 16"-18"-20" with shims & depth as well. Rides on its own 3 wheels. Wide spacing is good for trash or sod. I pull it with a Zetor 4341 MFWD 55PTO with no problems. (10K lb tractor.)

Most of the decent semi mounts I was outbid at during auctions & found this in a local paper, works better anyway for slopes.



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evilboweviel

07-25-2005 05:31:54




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 15:41:39  
study an Oliver plow semimounted closly then when you are looking around you will find the Ford, Case and ?? that Oliver made. 4-16 semimounted toggle trip will bring 1-200 around here. Spring reset will bring 6-900 around here. Not much market for them.
Disk will range around 16' however a 12' will work for what you are doing. A heavy disk will work better than a light one because you can carry it on the wheels when light disking needs done. An adjustable angle disk is a lot nicer than a fixed angle.
Ron

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paul

07-24-2005 21:42:08




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 15:41:39  
Ignore the rude dude, not normal for this place to have that type around here.

Around me (southern MN) there are JD 145 4 bottom plows for sale at any type of auction, & they bring about $100 - 150 these days. They are often 16 inch, sometimes 14 inch.

This would be great for you. Parts are around, simple plow, works fine.

If you are plowing a lot, an Oliver based plow (they built for many other companies) will pull a little easier; and if you are plowing down cornstalks or other trash a newer plow with more trash clearence would be needed. If you have a ton of rocks & plow a lot auto-reset is nice, but for your use none of this stuff is important????

I was always told to avoid those fancy cylinder/ nitrogen reset deals, they can't be repaired for what they are worth.

The cover boards are nice, but not really needed.

Coulters are good if you plow any typ of trash at all.

IHC made similar plows, everybody else probably bought bottoms from Oliver..... Look for a good old cheap plow for your needs. Keep it to 4 bottoms. Three is ok too. 14, 16, 18. You _may_ be able to pull a 5-16 in sandy soils, but that would be a real strain in sod & heavier soils, why bother wrecking the tractor?

My opinion.

--->Paul

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James2

07-24-2005 11:59:47




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
The plow is a MF 880 with hydraulic reset and it is an on-land plow. I know where the engineer who designed it is working, and a friend who worked with him, said it's a pretty good plow. We pull a seven bottom 880 with a IH 5288 and it does fine, but 86 hp on a 6 bottom is asking a lot, although in the old days 40's 50's they quoted 12 hp/bottom could be used. Depends on how deep you want to pull it. Plowing ony 4 or 5 inches deep doesn't require as much power. I would pass unless you are just wanting to skim the ground, or intend to buy a bigger (120+ hp)tractor.

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Allan in NE

07-24-2005 08:39:13




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
Hi Randy,

Most plows don't come equipped with the "cover boards" and people usually 'add them on', kinda like an accessory.

The plow turns the soil well enough all on it's own, but what cover boards do is force that very top inch or so of the soil to the very bottom of the furrow first before the moldboard can do it's thing.

What this does is to insure that any trash in the field is buried and that it is buried deep.

Allan

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Don-Wi

07-24-2005 08:38:02




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
Like the others said, a 1755 won't do it. Ours used to pull 3-16's, which was about all it wanted in our soil. Now we pull 4-16's w/ our 1855. The coulters are the spinning blades in front of the mold boards. You should be able to get cover boards for any plow, I've never seen one w/out them. With theHyd. reset, it should have a tank on the plow somewhere, ussually in the front, and I think they are charged w/ Nitrogen. If these tanks crap out, they are expensive to replace.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Allan in NE

07-24-2005 08:46:24




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Don-Wi, 07-24-2005 08:38:02  
Hey Don,

I don't know squat about these kinds of plows, but isn't that cylinder lying horizontally up front the control for the variable width cut?

Looks like all the bottoms "swivel" to find the center line of pull?

Or, does it just control the steering of that tailwheel via the linkage going back?

Too complicated fer my ol' pee brain. :>(

Allan



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onefarmer

07-24-2005 11:44:23




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Allan in NE, 07-24-2005 08:46:24  
The horizonal cyl is attached to that front wheel and is the lift for it. You"ll see it attached to a cam and a chain running to the top of the shaft the wheel is attached to. To the left and below it is the tank for the nitrogen/hyd bottom reset. The round piping going from the front to the back steers the tail wheel. looks like there is one to steer the front wheel too.



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JMS/MN

07-24-2005 20:30:39




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to onefarmer, 07-24-2005 11:44:23  
I missed noticing that wheel on the front- that would make it an on-land plow. Looks like a White/Oliver plow to the right, according to the support stand. Maybe that's a 3 or 4 bottom, better suited.



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JMS/MN

07-24-2005 11:06:45




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Allan in NE, 07-24-2005 08:46:24  
Steerable plows have mechanical linkage between the plow drawbar and the steerable tailwheel. I go along with the cylinder being the chargeable nitrogen accumulator. This looks like it's a cousin to JDs undependable version of a reset plow. Oliver makes an excellent mechanical reset plow- 548, 588, etc. The one pictured here is very old, way before the variable width concept. Besides being way too big for the tractor mentioned- I'd check with a dealer regarding that accumulator- may not be serviceable anymore, if it is- its $$$$$$$$.

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evielboweviel

07-24-2005 08:27:56




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
1755 pulls 4-18"s or 5-16"s around here. Central Ohio
yes it has coulters they are in front of each bottom
it has hydraulic reset on each bottom this is a good price, too much plow for you esp in hay field
Ron



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caseyc

07-24-2005 08:27:34




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 Re: Sorry -more questions about plows in reply to Randy-IA, 07-24-2005 07:57:25  
well randy, i don't know what type of soil you have there but around me that plow would take 150hp+. it's mostly heavy clay around here. there's a few light sandy ares in which i could pull 4-18s with my 766 but in the clay 3-18s is all it wants. the 766 is about 80hp. my neighbor has an 7-18 plow and it's all his 5488 wants sometimes. i've seen that 5488 on the dyno, 200hp. for your oliver i would suggest either a 3-18 or a 4-16.

casey in SD

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