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Ol Snuffy

07-20-2005 16:54:18




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Have JD 224 AW baler. All u-joints are in good shape but when I make a R.H. turn she clatters pretty bad. I know if you make to sharp of a turn they will make some noise but mine clatters even in a nice rounding R.H. turn. The only thing that I see that might not be right is the way the universal joints are lined up. Both of the joints on the rear drive line are installed the same, (when the front half is horizontal the rear half is vertical)
Now,the joint that is on the front of the PTO shaft (at the tractor) is just 90 degrees off from the other two ( rear half is horizontal and the front half is vertical)when the other two are just opposite. Any ideas??? Thanks Snuffy

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Tx Jim

07-21-2005 03:29:43




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 Re: baler driveline question in reply to Ol Snuffy, 07-20-2005 16:54:18  
Olsnuffy,if I'm following what you say about frt. pto slip shafts are not lined(timed) on your baler,they should be or it will make a noise turning.One thing that could have happenened is someone welded a new shaft on yoke incorrectly timed.As stated length of drawbar is very important.JD didn't come out with equal-angle hitch untill after 224 but they did work for noise but a pain to attach and worse to attach to a pickup.Tx Jim

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txgrn

07-22-2005 05:15:26




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 Re: baler driveline question in reply to Tx Jim, 07-21-2005 03:29:43  
Hi Jim,

Mine slips over the drawbar and has a pin with a spring loaded keeper to lock in fore and aft onto the bar. Then a screw on each side with each having a locknut locks her in place.

I didn't know about these things and put up with the noise for a lotta years and had to do a lot of pasture trimming cause I couldn't cut a sharp turn.

Then lo and behold I buy this JD 530 round baler this year and with it came the equal angle hitch....whoa what's this? First time I used it I found out.

So off to the old iron store I go and found another for $50. Now my cutting tractor has one on it for cutting and the baler has one for balin. Wouldn't be without it.

Mark

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S

07-20-2005 20:35:38




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 Re: baler driveline question in reply to Ol Snuffy, 07-20-2005 16:54:18  
I think I can explain this right. The rigid part of the u-joint must be the same on both ends of the shhaft. If I am understanding your description that is your problem. Another thing to consider is at the drawbar center of pin hole should be about 14 inches past end of PTO shaft on tractor. A bearing could be going bad but my number one thought is the joint on the ends of the shaft are out of line.

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txgrn

07-20-2005 17:47:26




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 Re: baler driveline question in reply to Ol Snuffy, 07-20-2005 16:54:18  
Usually the PTO shaft is mis dimensioned so that the U joints are lined up. If you are turning the joints have to be in synchromesh or they will fight each other. Since I am inside and am not looking at one, you go and look at one that works and pay attention to how they line up.

Another point. I have recently purchased a JD baler. With it I got a drawbar extension of about 12". It puts the tongue of the baler behind the rear wheels. I can turn that baler so that the rear tire of the tractor almost touches the tongue and the u-joints don't say a word.

The last baler i had didn't come with that; just connected directly to the drawbar and it too rattled going around corners and it had a mis dimensioned drive shaft so that the u-joints stayed lined up properly.


2 good clues there. should get you out of the ditch.

Mark

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txgrn

07-20-2005 17:51:58




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 Re: baler driveline question in reply to txgrn, 07-20-2005 17:47:26  
Also recently purchased a JD 1209 mower conditioner (swather). It has the drive shaft locked so you can't separate it (so I know the u-joints are matched) but it also has one of these 12" extensions and I can swath a 90 degree turn with no driveshaft chatter.

I looked at it in the middle of a turn once and the drive shaft made a perfect (best I could tell eyeballing it from the seat) 45 degree angle when I (the tractor) was almost 90 degrees to the tongue....the rear wheel was just about to touch it.

HTH.

Mark

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