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MF #12 baler... howcum'

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holcombwa

07-20-2005 07:22:44




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I have a 1966 MF #12 baler. Why does the manual say to replace the allen head screws on the sprockets etc. with grease inserts for lubing, but the set screws were always put back in. Baler came to me with set screws in the holes and so have dutifully put them back when done greasing... is there some reason you couldn't just leave the grease inserts in? Stupid question I know, but we did loose hay up until a few years ago, so balin' is relatively new to us. Thanks
Stan

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holcombwa

07-21-2005 22:46:02




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 Re: MF #12 baler... howcum' in reply to holcombwa, 07-20-2005 07:22:44  
Appreciate all the responses. Put zerks on the double and triple sprockets and left the caps in the knotter grease points. Thanks again for the help.
Stan



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hdlong

07-21-2005 09:54:33




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 Re: MF #12 baler... howcum' in reply to holcombwa, 07-20-2005 07:22:44  
I just bought a #9 last year and still had set screws in place of grease zerks.I was told this helped keeping clean if you don't clean off zerks before putting grease gun on it force's dirt in also can't pressurise if only pumpimg air from gun. IT NOW HAS GREASE ZERKS EVERY WHERE SINCE THE DAY AFTER BRING HOME. no clearance problems



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Bill from wisc

07-20-2005 15:54:09




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 Re: MF #12 baler... howcum' in reply to holcombwa, 07-20-2005 07:22:44  
The reason was stated below. So the farmers kid wont over grease the knotters. On ours I just left the grease fittings in once I installed them. Unless you do alot of baling greasing once a year is enough. Dont forget to put a grease fitting in the double chain sprocket underneath the baler and grease that more often, also check the oil level in both gear boxes on baler.Between my dads model 10 and mine we have had over 40 years of baling. Good luck Bill

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Bkeepr

07-20-2005 09:16:45




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 Re: MF #12 baler... howcum' in reply to holcombwa, 07-20-2005 07:22:44  
I asked the same question a few years back, related to my old MF #10. Answer I was told at the time (can't swear it is true, but sounded ok) was that it was MF's way of making sure that folks cleaned up excess grease after lubing. Supposedly they were having troubles with extra grease hanging off the fittings and getting gummed up with chaff and twine so they just told folks to take the fittings off each time.

I don't have that baler anymore, but I'm pretty sure I left the fittings in after that. You might try leaving them in, but turning it over by hand once to make sure there are no clearance issues.

Tom A

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RobN

07-20-2005 07:55:13




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 Re: MF #12 baler... howcum' in reply to holcombwa, 07-20-2005 07:22:44  
Good question. As I've heard before the only stupid question is the one you DON'T ask. I read my manual (page 25) on lubrication. It doesn't say anything about putting the plugs back once the lubing is done that I can see. I don't know, maybe the costing department for MF figured eleven extra zerks times the number of balers built was too costly (material and labor to install them) so they let the owner supply them? My JD 55/65 combines were the same - lots of the bearings had plugs instead of zerk fittings. I know of no reason why you'd have to install and remove the fittings every time.

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RobN

07-20-2005 08:03:39




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 Re: MF #12 baler... howcum' in reply to RobN, 07-20-2005 07:55:13  
Just had a thought that maybe it has something to do with clearance when the knotter trips and parts start rotating - I didn't go out and look at mine to check for that. I don't really think so but it's possible I guess.



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RobN

07-20-2005 08:34:16




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 Re: MF #12 baler... one more guess! in reply to RobN, 07-20-2005 08:03:39  
Another thought - out of curiosity I read the MF #9 manual I have. It states "The pre-lubricated knotter assemblies incorporate sealed needle bearings, sealed ball bearings, oil impregnated bronze bushings and oil impregnated cheveron type nylon bushings." The #12 has they same knotters I believe.
They reccomend lubing every 15000 bales or at the end of the season. Maybe they don't want owners over lubing them??
The idea of putting up 15k bales a year with the manual stooker I have, not a Stackliner (which I don't have |:-(| ) is a scary thought!

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Ken Macfarlane

07-20-2005 09:39:17




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 Re: MF #12 baler... one more guess! in reply to RobN, 07-20-2005 08:34:16  
Most I've done behind one baler a season was 12,000 using ground drop and hand loading. That was using a MF224
Ken



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Illinois Boy

07-20-2005 12:51:41




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 Re: MF #12 baler... one more guess! in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 07-20-2005 09:39:17  
IH gas distributer has the same deal - remove plugs and install grease fittings. Never says to put the plugs back in - and I didn't. Seems to me a waste of time to do that. Maybe it was a "funny" that the tech manual writers are still laughing about... (Weird sense of humor)
My question is - if the manual says to take plugs out and put grease fittings in - why weren't they there in the first place??

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