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Mowing grass hay with a bush hog?

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Chuck, WA

07-19-2005 11:43:04




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I've got an old New Idea sickle mower that I really like, but as I understand most sickle mowers are, it's cranky. On my first and second cuttings this year, I was having a little trouble with jamming, so I spent a half-day adjusting it and replacing sections before starting my 3rd cutting, and thought I had it working OK. I made about 3-4 times around one field and something was binding so badly in the bar that the slip clutch was slipping regardless how slow I drove, and I had to give it up till I can get a working mower.

Today I will try to find and fix the problem, but in the meantime, need to mow hay. I understand some folks mow with a bush hog, if it's one with "removeable sides." Mine has fixed skirts all around, but a neighbor has a new JD that has fixed sides, but an open back with short lengths of chain hanging down across the open back. I could remove the bar that the chains are attached to and have the back open, then raise the back so the back cut doesn't mulch alrady cut grass.

I haven't found one yet that I can borrow with open sides. Any experience out there with the open back? Will this work? I hope to get my sickle working again, so this is just temporary, but don't want to end up with mulched grass either.

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck, WA

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Jim Snow

07-20-2005 19:02:59




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
Chuck, Here in southest when I was a kid we mowed all our grass hay with a 307 Bush Hog with removable side,sure made a 560 Farmall talk. We took the side off & had a old blacksmith welder shop that the guy would get the blades razor sharp he knew how to put an edge on them he was good at it. Mowed a lot of hay this way, mowed wheat straw once with a 307 with sides on made some of the heaviest straw bales I ever handled. Baled 970 bales off 20 acres.

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Chuck, WA

07-20-2005 06:58:04




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
Thanks all for your replies. Looks like I'll keep trying to make the sickle work...see my reply to RayP (MI).

Chuck, WA



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Hay Dr

07-19-2005 18:37:40




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
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You need to look into a CCM drum mower. They will not clog up and will mow at 14 MPH. The will mow any type of hay in any condition. They are low maintenance and less than $2,500 NEW.



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Chuck, WA

07-20-2005 06:28:40




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Hay Dr, 07-19-2005 18:37:40  
Thanks for the suggestion. Not a chance.

I believe you're treading very close to the edge on the non commercial advertising policy of this forum.

Chuck, WA



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FC

07-20-2005 08:37:22




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-20-2005 06:28:40  
I agree.



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Hay Dr

07-20-2005 07:07:58




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-20-2005 06:28:40  
We shipped 3 CCM drum mowers out last week to Washington State. Your neighbors are updating their mowers.



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RayP(MI)

07-19-2005 18:11:12




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
Been there - done that! Today, in fact. Had a primarily grass hayfield that I allowed a neighbor to fertilize with liquid pig manure. Growth was formidable! So tangled I couldn"t cut it with a good sicklebar mower. Kept clogging on the dense undergrowth, and the left over from last year. Only option is a brush hog wannabee. Open in the front, and partially open to the rear. Does a fair job of chopping the stuff down, at best. I"m crawling in first gear, any faster, and I"m in trouble. Going counterclockwise, and overlapping previous wheel tracks, which lifts the flattened stuff, somewhat. Even with fairly sharp blades, you"ll leave a very ragged cut. Advantage is that hogging batters up the grass, so it dries some quicker, and balse somewhat softer. All in all, it works, but it ain"t pretty. Yield will be reduced, field will be ragged, quite a bit of stem loss, and watch for next year, when you may have to hog it again, because of this year"s leftovers!

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Chuck, WA

07-20-2005 06:56:37




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to RayP(MI), 07-19-2005 18:11:12  
Ray...not quite ready to do that yet, but is a fallback. As you say, in a pinch, guess it will work.

Thanks!
Chuck, WA



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Jerry/MT

07-19-2005 15:57:36




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
KingKutter makes a rotary cutter with a removable side that presumably allows you to use it as a rotary cutter(side on) and a hay cutter (side off). Most rotary cutters are not designed to be use for hay cutting because the chop the grass stalk in to smaller pieces. No offense, but if I were you, I'd look for another sickle mower that hasn't be modified by someone who didn't know what they were doing.

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bvomark

07-19-2005 12:53:57




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
I baled some hay earlier this summer that was cut with a bush hog. I was square baling and the bales turned out ok. When the owner bush hogged it he didn't cut as short as a sickle or disk would so there was alot of grass left. There was also a lot of loss due to the mulching action. I'm sure the cows and horses will eat it, but it would have been better hay had it been cut properly.



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FC

07-19-2005 12:28:18




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
I have seen a lot of posts talking about cutting hay with a bush hog too, and I will admit I have not tried it, but I cannot see how you keep from having very soft bales due to all the shredding they do, as well as more loss. I have an old IH sickle mower that my dad used for years. Last year I decided to do some square baling and drug it out, replaced the wooden pitman and tried it out. It was plugged more than it was cutting. Since I knew this mower years ago I knew this was not normal for it and it was in fact one of the best cutting mowers I had seen. This spring I decided to replace some worn guards, get the manual out, and check some things. After replacing all the guards, setting the bar angle correctly in relationship to the tractor (the bar was actually lagging way too much) the mower will rarely plug, and the fields look almost like they were cut with a lawnmower now. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think a lot of sickle mowers go to the scrapyard just from lack of basic maintenance. I am very happy with mine now.

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Chuck, WA

07-19-2005 13:20:56




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to FC, 07-19-2005 12:28:18  
FC...I agree completely, but...

Mine was modified by a previous owner. It was originally a towed mower, but somebody cut the towing structure off and did a poor job of replacing it with a 3-pt sructure. It's badly balanced for my tractor (MF35 without down pressure), has no break-away (assume it went with the towing parts), and as far as I can tell, no way to adjust the blade angle relative to the tractor. It does have an adjustment for angle relative to the ground (tip the guard teeth up or down), and I set it someplace medium, which gives a nice cut without hanging up on anything.

Last year, the poor welds done by the guy who modified it broke when I'd just started mowing one cutting, and I had to take it to a friend's place where we rebuilt part of the structure, and offset it more for better balance and alignment of the pto and mower drive line.

I've replaced a few guards and all sections, but at about $10 each, replacing all guards isn't in the plan. I've toyed with trying to replace ledger plates, but haven't got the courage to dive into that.

I've set the clearance of knife sections to about a 6 mil gap, but cumulatively, that may be too close. I've set the hold-downs - with a 3 lb sledge as seems to be the practice - but again, while no one of them seems overly tight, collectively, they might be causing too much friction.

Last year, the problem was that there seemed to be a hold-down that was too loose and the grass would jam without cutting. After I tightened it up, I had a couple of pretty good cuttings where I could whip along at the right speed to get the grass falling backwards instead of forwards, but then it gradually got to where it would start to jam again. Before this cutting I was ready to give it up and replace it, but when I looked at what I could afford, what was out there looked in worse condition, and shorter bars (mine's 7 ft.), so I decided to try to fix it.

So, while I sure understand the need for maintenance, I'm trying the best I can, but begin to wonder when a thing is just too worn out in places that are not readily replacable for someone without a machine shop.

Thanks for your reply.

Chuck, WA

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FC

07-19-2005 13:35:17




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 13:20:56  
You are probably right. Sounds like someone ruined your mower long ago, and it would likely cost more to fix it than replace. I have been mowing fields this year that were bush hogged last year and have a lot of "trash" down in the bottom. My mower does pretty good at chewing through it, but I got greedy last weekend and tried cutting it with the dew on. I could not go 10 feet without clogging it up with the dead - wet stuff. Let it dry an hour and knocked it down with no problem. I caught the generic guards on sale for under $3.00 each at a farm supply chain and bought them all for less than $100. I could not believe how worn the ledger plates were on the old guards, and at less than 3 bucks I could not justify the time/labor to swap ledger plates out. So far - so good.

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Chuck, WA

07-20-2005 06:24:37




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to FC, 07-19-2005 13:35:17  
FC...Well, I wouldn't quite go so far as to say ruined, but makes a cranky mower worse. I haven't given up yet.

You aren't going to believe this, and I wouldn't if I hadn't seen it either, but last night I went out to work on it. Turned it over by hand and it was just as smooth as could be - no binding at all. Put it on the tractor and mowed part of a field to test and it was going like gangbusters until the balljoint on the bar slipped off. Looked at it pretty hard and decided I can adjust that, even though the normal adjustment mechanism seems to be worn badly enough to not work as intended. Think I can shim at the pitman end and make it work.

I wouldn't say this on other forums, but around country folk...we've done some praying over that mower and our hobby haying operation in general. Nuff said. I can't really explain it any other way. The only thing I did was to disconnect the lift mechanism that wasn't working anyhow on the outside chance that it might be dragging someplace inside, but it was disconnected before during one of the "binding" times and I see no reason that would make a difference.

Will be out this morning after the dew is off to fix that ball joint and try again.

Thanks for the replies.
Chuck, WA

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Galen

07-19-2005 12:06:22




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Chuck, WA, 07-19-2005 11:43:04  
Feller around here has been using a hog for years. He sets the back end up about 2-3 inches higher than the front, that way it doesn't "mulch" it. I haven't tried it, but he seems to have good luck - bales don't look any different then other guy's.



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Illinois Boy

07-19-2005 12:15:34




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Galen, 07-19-2005 12:06:22  
I wonder if anyone has ever thought of a way to build a bush hog with a conditioner on it? They could be out there - we just don't know about it.
Man - that could be a slick thing. Bush hog brush one day - mow hay the next - all with the same machine!!



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FM

07-19-2005 15:07:59




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-19-2005 12:15:34  
They got them. Its called a "discbine".


Mike



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bobMo

07-19-2005 12:51:17




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-19-2005 12:15:34  
IB, unfortunately a bush hog is not a tool for haying. Will it serve that purpose? Maybe in a bind. Regardless of what is said here and people are free to use their equipment anyway they choose it won't do a good job. I've seen fields after they were cut with a bush hog, raked and baled. This just won't work for me..... ....



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edchainsaw

07-19-2005 21:08:56




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to bobMo, 07-19-2005 12:51:17  
i had one customer that "insisted" he mow his hay with his bush hog.... had the side off and back off.--- he said it was the fastest way to mow (he didnt believe disk mowers would work atall)


he had stems tall enough my rake was haveing feeding problems the hay DID NOT CURE as fast because of the greenness of the uncut stems keeping the MULCH green
and the bales were just so hard to get up to the 40" long he had to have since they kept busting and with the green and 120# bales most of the time he tossed it out, because his horse wouldnt eat it.

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edchainsaw

07-19-2005 21:10:48




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to edchainsaw, 07-19-2005 21:08:56  
I am sorry 50in not 40in...


hey the guy was cheep-- had to have his money's worth at 25cnts per bale he didnt want to get cheated



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Illinois Boy

07-19-2005 13:25:45




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 Re: Mowing grass hay with a bush hog? in reply to bobMo, 07-19-2005 12:51:17  
bobMo,
I agree - I'll stick with the moco...
Just a thought..



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