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Randy-IA

07-15-2005 17:35:01




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Hi , I hope these are simple to answer qustions , I just don't know how to figure it out without hooking the tractor and baler to it . I'm ready to put a deck on the gear I got last year at an auction . How much tongue of the hayrack should be exposed from a birdseye view in front of the deck ? Obviously enough to turn it without hitting the corner of the deck so is there another aspect I'm overlooking ? Is it the same for the baler ? IE : How much do I want the chute to overhang the deck so I can still make sharp turns in the smaller end of my field and have the bales still land on the deck ? I have access to hitch's centered under the chute or off to the right of the chute ( Both 14T's with chute extensions ) The tongue is seven feet from center of axle to pin hole . Tractor is seven feet wide narrowed up . I was thinking 3.5 - 4 feet of deck overhang , is that to much ? Should the overhang at the back be the same or can it be a little more ? One more , If the picture comes though can anyone ID this gear so I know what I have ? Thanks ...Randy

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Our Farmer

07-16-2005 12:26:16




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
That looks a lot like the Allis Chalmers 550 hay agon I have around the place.



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kyhayman

07-16-2005 07:31:27




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
Before I went to a NH bale wagon I used a 336 JD to wagons. Chute with extension was 2' short of the wagon deck and 1' higher. That lets a 4' bale get to the half way point if it needs to.

Generally speaking I like no more than 24" center of front axle to front edge of wagon flat.



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dbwillia

07-16-2005 06:22:35




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
I was raised on a farm and my recollection is that a normal hayrack was 14 feet long. Don't recall the width but I would guess 7 1/2 feet is about right. The front and rear had the same amount of overhang.



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dbwillia

07-16-2005 06:15:17




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
I was raised on a farm and my recollection is that a normal hayrack was 14 feet long. Don't recall the width but I would guess 7 1/2 feet is about right. The front and rear had the same amount of overhang.



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dbwillia

07-16-2005 06:10:30




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
I was raised on a farm and my recollection is that a normal hayrack was 14 feet long. Don't recall the width but I would guess 7 1/2 feet is about right. The front and rear had the same amount of overhang.



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dbwillia

07-16-2005 06:25:26




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to dbwillia, 07-16-2005 06:10:30  
Sorry for the multiple posts. The first two times it didn't seem to be posting, but apparently it was.



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Randy-IA

07-16-2005 06:55:45




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to dbwillia, 07-16-2005 06:25:26  
Yeah , my computer clogs up after a while of using it since I don't have any free space left on it so while posting these pictures it took about ten minutes to upload , and it still posted twice ! I need a computer that's newer than six years old ! Take Care and thanks for the confirmation on 14 feet , I'm off to the lumber mill in a few minutes to order the white oak . ...Randy



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dbwillia

07-16-2005 06:08:30




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
I was raised on a farm and my recollection is that a normal hayrack was 14 feet long. Don't recall the width but I would guess 7 1/2 feet is about right. The front and rear had the same amount of overhang.



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Randy-IA

07-15-2005 19:47:39




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 Re: Hay wagon picture tried again in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
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Thanks NC , It worked !! Here it is , my Un-Id'd running gear . No tag , no Identifing marks it has probably been repainted many , many years ago . It has 6 lug studs per wheel , and the tongue extends , for hooking up I suspect . Since the studs are sort of small ( I don't remember right now if they are 1/2" or 5/8" ) I'm guessing a lite duty maybe less than 3 ton gear ? I'd like to know that too so I can determine how many bales I can put on it without hurting it ( How big to make the deck , 7.5 x 12 or 14 with 24 or 27 per layer [ 3 across ] x ? layers at 50lbs each bale , most bales will be lighter ) . Thanks again ...Randy

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Nebraska Cowman

07-16-2005 03:45:09




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 Re: Hay wagon picture tried again in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 19:47:39  
6 bolt wheels are likely a 5 ton wagon. Should be plenty good for hay.



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Randy-IA

07-16-2005 07:32:24




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 Re: Hay wagon picture tried again in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-16-2005 03:45:09  
Hi , I goofed on the memory , went and looked at it again , it only has 5 lugs . The rim's center hole is a tight fit around the hub . Still going with 14' I guess , I'll just limit it to 100 bales , 2-1/2 tons max . Thanks ...Randy



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paul

07-16-2005 18:26:25




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 Re: Hay wagon picture tried again in reply to Randy-IA, 07-16-2005 07:32:24  
I put 120 - 135 bales on my 2 hayracks, and they are made from welded up car axles - 5 bolt hubs. Granted I do not travel far on the roads at any speed, that would make me rethink. But real local you should not have any problems. The one running gear has been in use for 40+ years..... .

14' long, about 7.5 wide, and I would not want real big overhags on the front or back. The longer the wheelbase, the more stable & better ride. As well, if you have a 4' overhang on the back & start stacking 5-6 high, you will likely get too light in front & flip it over backwards.

--->Paul

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Randy-IA

07-15-2005 19:22:45




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Thanks NC , It worked !! Here it is , my Un-Id'd running gear . No tag , no Identifing marks it has probably been repainted many , many years ago . It has 6 lug studs per wheel , and the tongue extends , for hooking up I suspect . Since the studs are sort of small ( I don't remember right now if they are 1/2" or 5/8" ) I'm guessing a lite duty maybe less than 3 ton gear ? I'd like to know that too so I can determine how many bales I can put on it without hurting it ( How big to make the deck , 7.5 x 12 or 14 with 24 or 27 per layer [ 3 across ] x ? layers at 50lbs each bale , most bales will be lighter ) . Thanks again ...Randy

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Nebraska Cowman

07-15-2005 18:24:12




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 Re: Hay wagon in reply to Randy-IA, 07-15-2005 17:35:01  
It's been a long time but I think you want the chute to stop short of the wagon bed. the reason for this is because if you go though a hole or dip with the baler then the chute will drop down and get caught UNDER the bed and tear things up. I've stacked on wagons like that and always had to be on the ball to grab the last bale and then lift the chute and hold it. that could be a good way for a guy to get his fingers cut off too if his timing was off. Long story short, the man on the wagon needs strong arms and good ballance. I started when I was about 13. Before that all I did was run the tractor.

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