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Rich Iowa

07-14-2005 18:35:41




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As some of you know, I"m thinking of planting corn next year, then replanting my hay field. I just had a thought. What if I got my soil samples and got the fertilizer applied, could I just disk this field up and bring in a drill and drill in some more grass seed (orchard grass probably)? How well would this work? Just thought of it about 5 min. ago. Would the drill work in this condition? Would the disk leave the surface to rough to run a mower, rake, and baler w/o major damage? When would be a good time to do this, fall or early spring?

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daddyj

07-16-2005 04:05:43




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-14-2005 18:35:41  
Spray with Roundup Aug.1, not-til the alfalfa Sept.1 and the alfalfa will be rooted before frost here in KY. Don't know about your area. WE have good luck with this. Don't forget soil tests.



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Allan in NE

07-15-2005 04:39:23




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-14-2005 18:35:41  
Hi Rich,

You're lucky you have the option of corn.

I'm facing the same situation where the alfalfa is down to 'bout 30 or 40 percent and the field is pretty much all taken over by the darned grass anymore.

Since alfalfa kills it's young, a feller has to crop one year of something else and I'm rackin' my brain tryin' to figure out what to put in there next spring.

Allan



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Rich Iowa

07-15-2005 15:08:38




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Allan in NE, 07-15-2005 04:39:23  
the only real problem I have with planting corn is the deer LOVE it. My hay field is surrounded by woods on three sides, a small rigde runs down the middle of my field and there is a pond at the other end of the field. Talk about a deer magnet. Plant corn, they eat it all, plant soybeans, they smash "em down, hay is about the only crop I can get off w/o a lot of loss to the little buggers. Kill one, 4 come for the funeral and stay. So many choices; plant corn next year, drill in some more grass, fertilize the h#ll out of the field hope for the best. At the rate the hay is coming back, might have to combine 6 or 8 swaths. Hard to pay for equipment at that rate.

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Norm in Alabama

07-15-2005 06:56:51




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Allan in NE, 07-15-2005 04:39:23  
Allen, try a mixture of lespedza and white clover. We used that as a great filler on our farm in Kansas, sometimes also added vetch. Wish we could send you some of this rain we a getting. Have a great weekend. LOL Norm



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ejr-IA.

07-14-2005 21:03:23




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-14-2005 18:35:41  
What I have done is Round UP the the hay ground in the spring and notill the corn in.



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agrogers

07-14-2005 19:39:31




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-14-2005 18:35:41  
Not knowing what the field is in now, if you wanted to seed in grass after disking you'd be just fine. I assume you don't want to get a cutting off this year? You might want to get a cultipacker to go behind your disk to break up some of the clods, but if you aren't going to make a cutting until next spring, the precipitation will level it out nicely. The drill will work if it has a grass seed attachment, and you might have to disk the field a few times before drilling.

If the field is in a legume like alfalfa or clover, then planting corn is a good idea as a transition crop. Early spring, take soil tests, plow under the hay you have now, do all the necessary secondary tillage to get a nice seedbed and plant your corn. The following spring take soil tests, spray for weeds, apply your fertilizer and disk it in, then drill your seed. Remember that grasses do like their N, but that depends on how many cuttings you want, and how important yield per cutting is.

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Rich Iowa

07-15-2005 04:12:42




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to agrogers, 07-14-2005 19:39:31  
The field is mostly grass right now, with about 40% alfalfa. The field was planted 5-6 years ago and the alfalfa is getting pretty thin. The soil is mostly clay, I had to rake 4 swaths together to make a decent sized windrow. The drill I was thinking of using is owned by my friend"s dad. It is an old conventional tillage drill. If I were to disk this stuff this fall, the grass and alfalfa would come back next spring right?

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MN Scott

07-15-2005 07:25:34




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Rich Iowa , 07-15-2005 04:12:42  
Some of the grass would survive the discing but the alfalfa would not. The disc would cut off the crown or top of the alfalfa plant killing it. Your best bet would be to rotate to a corn or soybean crop for a year then reseed. Like Allan says old alfalfa plants will kill young alfalfa seedlings.



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Mel in SW Iowa

07-15-2005 09:18:54




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to MN Scott, 07-15-2005 07:25:34  
MN scott,
My past experience has been a little different, but it might be because of the style of disc I was using.

I had 18 acres of alfalfa that was thinning out, disced it twice with a JD 12-13ft AW(not a deep tillage disc) with a harrow on the back so that we could plant corn on it. When we finally got back to it to plant, we had the thickest, best stand of alfalfa ever. I've been told since that discing up the crowns on established stands is a plus. This 5yr old stand lasted another very productive 7 years.

I don't know if it was the plant genetics, type of disc, time of the year, month, or day, or just plain dumb luck. I've been convinced that an alfalfa stand should have at least a light discing first thing every spring ever since.
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Mel

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Allan in NE

07-15-2005 10:42:46




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to Mel in SW Iowa, 07-15-2005 09:18:54  
Hi Mel,

Yep, didn't wanna start an arguement, but this is indeed the case. Give 'er a good going over with the spring tooth or a disc and it removes everything except the alfalfa.

Does wonders for the hay crop; but you've got to do it way early in the spring just when the grass is greenin' up.

Allan



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Allan in NE

07-15-2005 07:38:50




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 Re: hay field renovation in reply to MN Scott, 07-15-2005 07:25:34  
Yeah,

But, ya wanna be sure to bale it with a NH 489 swather. :>)

Allan



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