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Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr??

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Joe in IN

07-14-2005 10:04:07




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Below are the lab results from my second cutting of Alfalfa/Timothy field(second was nearly all alfalfa). Am I on the right track to producing some good hay??

MOISTURE,% 15.02 0.00 DRY MATTER,% 84.98 100.00 CRUDE PROTEIN,% 20.22 23.79 AVAILABLE PROTEIN,% 20.22 23.79 ACID DET. FIBER (ADF),% 24.40 28.71 NEUT. DET. FIBER (NDF),% 29.95 35.24 RELATIVE FEED VALUE (RFV) 175.63 ASH,% 9.88 11.62 FAT,% 1.56 1.84 LIGNIN,% 5.54 6.52 ADF_CP,% 0.64 0.75 NDF_CP,% 2.58 3.04 CRUDE FIBER,% 19.52 22.97 AVAILABLE PROTEIN,% 20.22 23.79 NON-FIBER CARB.,% 25.97 30.56 EQUINE TDN,% 54.88 64.58 EQUINE DE MCAL/LB 0.97 1.15 CALCIUM (Ca),% 1.37 1.61 PHOSPHORUS (P),% 0.30 0.35 POTASSIUM (K),% 2.25 2.64 MAGNESIUM (Mg),% 0.28 0.33

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Jerry/MT

07-14-2005 21:41:55




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-14-2005 10:04:07  
I take it the two values represent the range of the particular variable measured. Looks very good. The RFV (Relative Feed Value) is a good indicator of quality and this hay would probably be considered premium with the RFV of 175+. The crude protein is high, averaging about 22% and the ADF is relatively low averaging 26 %. I'd say ya' done good! If you can do this consistently I'd say you were on the right track. Good Luck!

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Iowa Jim

07-15-2005 09:35:27




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-14-2005 21:41:55  
Jerry:

The values on the left hand side are on an AS IS basis the ones on the right on a Dry Matter basis. They are not a range of values.

Jim



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Iowa Jim

07-14-2005 18:38:30




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-14-2005 10:04:07  
Joe:

How many bales in this lot of hay did you sample to generate the subsample for the laboratory analysis? Did the lab conduct Wet Chemistry or NIR to determine the nutritional value of your hay? I follow the sampling procedures outlined by CSU Davis when I collect samples.

Jim



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Joe in IN

07-14-2005 20:20:59




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Iowa Jim, 07-14-2005 18:38:30  
I used NIR and collected samples from about 18 bales. Supposed to be 20 but 18 were easiest to get to.

Do you know how accurate NIR testing is. I know that Wet Chemistry is themost accurate. If NIR has a 95% confidence then I am fine with that. I haven't found how accurate it is....



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Iowa Jim

07-15-2005 05:47:53




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-14-2005 20:20:59  
Joe:

The NIR systems are calibrated using alfalfa samples coordinated by a consortium of labs and universities. The use of NIR for alfalfa-grass hay is less accurate since the standard is straight alfalfa, but the NIR is still quite valid for alfalfa-grass hay. The situation with NIR is analogous to to the use of moisture testers which are calibrated for alfalfa, but usable in alfalfa-grass with a little interpretation. I use NIR for most of the samples we collect from our production. I use wet chemistry for tissue analysis, though.

On our farm we test every lot of hay we purchase or produce. We us Dairyland Labs in St. Cloud, Minnesota for all of my testing needs. Having the nutrient value is a service that will definitely separate you from other hay producers. I have several customers that left their suppliers for us since we test our hay. Some people will scoff at the testing, but it is key to knowing what kind of hay your farm is producing and helps you sell the most appropriate hay to meet your customers' needs. Of course, it helps that my wife and I have graduate degrees in livestock nutrition. :-)

My the way, what part of Indiana are you located in?

Jim

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Joe in IN

07-15-2005 06:24:44




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Iowa Jim, 07-15-2005 05:47:53  
West Lafayette.... About 6 miles north of Purdue.... When they have fly over's(military jets) for football games they fly right over my house... Kinda cool.....

My results were from Stearns DHIA Laboratories , in Sauk Centre, MN. While I am Purdue grad, I was not in the Ag dept(I'm a bean counter), so I do not have any contacts to have them do it....



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Joe in IN

07-15-2005 06:21:26




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Iowa Jim, 07-15-2005 05:47:53  
West Lafayette.... About 6 miles north of Purdue.... When they have fly over's(military jets) for football games they fly right over my house... Kinda cool.....

My results were from Stearns DHIA Laboratories , in Sauk Centre, MN. While I am Purdue grad, I was not in the Ag dept(I'm a bean counter), so I do not have any contacts to have them do it....



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Hay DR

07-14-2005 14:49:02




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-14-2005 10:04:07  
This is some nice top shelf hay. The fescue and orchard grass hay most of the beef cattle operators raise around here will only have 10-14% Protein.



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Illinois Boy

07-14-2005 12:14:22




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-14-2005 10:04:07  
Looks awfully good to me! Is this for cattle or horses. If horses consider this:
Alfalfa is the number one hay crop in the United States as about 40 percent of all hay is alfalfa. It is the most common legume hay fed to horses, but its use is a controversial subject among many horse owners.
It has been stated that alfalfa hay will damage a horse's kidney. Horses eating alfalfa hay drink more water because of its higher protein and mineral content; thus, they urina** more. This action does not harm a healthy kidney. Some owners are concerned that alfalfa is a "hot feed." However, this has never been proven. A study at Cornell University showed that polo ponies fed a corn-alfalfa hay diet did not sweat more that polo ponies fed an oat-timothy hay diet. More of the oat-timothy hay ration was needed to maintain body weight in the polo ponies.
Alfalfa hay can have calcium: phosphorus ratio as wide as 6:1. Mature horses can handle a calcium: phosphorus ratio up to 6:1, but young, growing horses should not have a calcium: phosphorus ratio greater than 3:1.

I'd say you are on the right track - good job!

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Hay DR

07-15-2005 07:46:21




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-14-2005 12:14:22  
Year 2002, 64 million acres of Hay were harvested and only 22.6 million were in Alfalfa. That is 35%. In the South, Alfalfa is as low as 2% of the acreage in some states.



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Joe in IN

07-14-2005 14:19:06




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-14-2005 12:14:22  
Looking to sell it to some horse people down the road. They breed and go through about 2000 bales a year. Their current supplier doesn't test his hay. I'm trying to look like I know what I'm doing and will give them a sample bale or two with the test results. I hope the test results can sell the hay as I couldn't sell you the shirt off my back...

Calcium did rate pretty high on my soil sample, are you saying I really don't want to be any higher on the Calcium:phosphorus ratio? Fertilize with more P to try and overcome the abundance of calcium in my soil?

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SNAPPIE

07-14-2005 14:09:26




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Illinois Boy, 07-14-2005 12:14:22  
a lot of horse owners pay top $$ for top quality hay to feed to not active, over weight horses. most country, non working horses need nothing more then tim/orch grass mixed dry hay. no alph or grain



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Greywolf

07-15-2005 07:12:36




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to SNAPPIE, 07-14-2005 14:09:26  
A horse is a forage animal. Therefore it needs a certain amount of forage to keep "things" in order. The above stated correctly that "most" horses don't need more than a regular grass hay.

What happens is all the nutrients are provided by a smaller amount of inputs to meet the needs. Where all goes wrong is the standard of 1 - 2% of body weight of feedstuff needed is thought to be of top quality hay. That amount provides way more than necessary.

If horse ppl would look at what's required nutrient wise...they would be OK. But..... the horse is constantly hungry with high quality hay and they feel "sorry" for it.... and the horse ends up chewing on the wood to fill it's belly. Kind of like living on candy bars instead of a balanced diet.

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Iowa Jim

07-14-2005 14:21:00




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to SNAPPIE, 07-14-2005 14:09:26  
DING DING DING DING!!!!! !


You won the prize!!!!! !



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Iowa Jim

07-14-2005 11:50:23




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Joe in IN, 07-14-2005 10:04:07  
Joe:

According to the standards set for by the AFGC that hay is Prime. Very good hay, but probably much "better" than what most livestock in the midwest acutally need.

Jim



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mike brown

07-14-2005 15:53:18




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 Re: Forage Lab Results - Interpretation, Hay Dr?? in reply to Iowa Jim, 07-14-2005 11:50:23  
That's high producing dairy cow hay.



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