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Rich Iowa

07-12-2005 16:42:42




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I"m thinking about trying some corn next year, but need to turn under an old hay field. I have an Oliver 1650 (65-70hp) that I"d like to find a plow for. What should I look for; 4-16, 5-16, 4-18? Also, what do ya"ll like as far as hitch style,trailer or semi-mount. The land I have right now is mostly clay and slightly hilly. I have no liquid in the tires, how much weight would I need to add to the beast, tires are 50-60% tread. One more question, is a 13" IH 37 disk a good match for this tractor? It appears to be in good shape with only one or two blades broken. Thanks in advance, Rich

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paul

07-13-2005 07:23:21




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-12-2005 16:42:42  
I live in hilly clay area of southern Minnesota. I have a 140 hp tractor that I use to pull a 4-18 plow. A little extra power, but there are times a 5-18 would stop me - I do some alfalfa, & very wet soil with compacted areas....

Used to pull a 4-16 with an 85 hp tractor. That was aload on it tho, took the guts out of that tractor. Very hard on it.

My uncle had a 1600 or a 1650 Ollie gas - don't remember which. Most he could put on it was a 4-14, and that made it snort. He had a 4-16 plow as well, but not for that tractor.

I understand many people have different soils than I, and can move up a bottom. Just telling you how it is 'here'. :)

If you get a semi-mounted plow, the plow should transfer weight to the tractor & you do not need to add any fluid or weights.

Your worn tires will be an issue if you try to get the biggest baddest plow possible on your tractor tho..... You could spin out, lose traction.

As to the disk, I would look for a 18-20' disk with fold-up wings making it 12' or so when folded. In fall you can use the full width to disk down the cornstalks; or use it folded up as extra weight to actually penetrate the hard soil & cut the stalks. In spring you can use it folded up when the going is difficult, or full width in good conditions. More flexability. A disk can be a real beast to try to pull, or it can be a toy the tractor doesn't even know is there when the ground is dry, level, and stable. A folding wing model will give you both options. Tho there is certainly nothing wrong with the size disk you are looking at, will be good.

For a plow, Oliver made good low-power bottoms early on, and many other companies got their plow parts from Ollie & painted & labeled it as 'theirs'. For dealing with corntalks, you want a plow with high clearance & a lot of distance between bottoms for the trash to flow through. I try to plow my cornstalks without chopping or disking them. Takes an Ollie/White x8x or better, an IHC 720, or some similar modern model to handle that at all.

--->Paul

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Rich Iowa

07-13-2005 15:45:19




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to paul, 07-13-2005 07:23:21  
So many plow size choices, not enough money to buy them all and try them. Suppose I could go a little smaller and bump up the speed a hair. My late uncle used a Minni-Mo G850 gasser (Oliver 1755 in yellow suit) as his power tractor. 4-18 IH plow I believe, 20" disk and 18" field cultivator. Of course, his land was mostly flat and nice black dirt. Thanks for the help, Rich



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Leland

07-12-2005 19:08:39




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-12-2005 16:42:42  
You could have someone come in with a disk chisel and let him get down and break up the hard pan for you this would let you have a better crop and you can always disk it down and plow the rest of the trash under later.



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Leland

07-12-2005 19:08:21




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-12-2005 16:42:42  
You could have someone come in with a disk chisel and let him get down and break up the hard pan for you this would let you have a better crop and you can always disk it down and plow the rest of the trash under later.



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Leroy

07-12-2005 17:56:24




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-12-2005 16:42:42  
Stick with 3 bottoms and figure on adding weight



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Allan in NE

07-12-2005 17:46:57




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-12-2005 16:42:42  
Rich,

The disc is a perfect match for your tractor. Nice little discs.

If you are in heavy ground and flippin' alfalfa, you'd better stay down with a 3 bottom to do it right, in my opinion.

Allan



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jc

07-13-2005 04:41:25




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Allan in NE, 07-12-2005 17:46:57  
You forgot to tell him to get a rollover.



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Allan in NE

07-13-2005 04:51:10




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to jc, 07-13-2005 04:41:25  
LOL!

Naw, he seems like a nice young fellow. No use him getting the horse laugh like I do. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

07-13-2005 04:48:10




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to jc, 07-13-2005 04:41:25  
LOL!

Naw, he seems like a nice young fellow. No use him getting the horse laugh like I do. :>)

Allan



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RustyFarmall

07-13-2005 04:30:30




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Allan in NE, 07-12-2005 17:46:57  
I agree with you Allan, a 3 btm plow will probably be all you would want in that alfalfa sod. Anyone who has never plowed alfalfa won't understand this.



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Rich Iowa

07-13-2005 04:44:44




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-13-2005 04:30:30  
We do have an old IH 2-3 bottom trip plow that is 2 bottoms now. How much trouble would it be to change it back to 3 bottoms and get it adjusted right. It is only 4-5 acres, maybe I should find somebody to let me rent their plow or have them do it. Thanks for all your thoughts. Rich



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Rich Iowa

07-12-2005 17:53:51




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Allan in NE, 07-12-2005 17:46:57  
Thanks for replying Allan, I thought the disk would be a good match too, just wanted some opinions, I can get it for about $150. The ground is pretty heavy, clay with some rocks and hills. If I do decide to go on this adventure, I"d be plowing in the fall and planting some rye or something to keep the erosion down. I"ve heard plowing clay in the spring leave ya with huge clumps that don"t dissapear. Have to find some other equipment also. Thanks again, Rich

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steveormary

07-12-2005 21:10:59




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-12-2005 17:53:51  
Rich;

Disk sounds about right. Neighbor pulled 4/16"s with his oliver 1650 and I pulled 4/16"s
with my 706 Ger.Neighbors plow was 3pth and mine was fast hitch semi-mount. I had a 15ft massy tandem disk which was plenty at times. If you get a 4 bottom plow and find it too much you can always remove a bottom. steveormary



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Rich Iowa

07-13-2005 03:44:38




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to steveormary, 07-12-2005 21:10:59  
Thanks for all the help, it seems like most people are suggesting the 4-16s, so I"ll keep my eyes open for one in good shape. Now, how about brands; AC, IH, JD, Oliver, any others to look for?



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Leroy

07-13-2005 04:56:27




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Rich Iowa, 07-13-2005 03:44:38  
For that amount of acres forget about buying a plow and just use the 2 bottom that you have. You will spend more time wasted trying to find a plow than the extra bottom would save you in time



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Rich Iowa

07-13-2005 15:39:38




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 Re: plows and disks in reply to Leroy, 07-13-2005 04:56:27  
I have thought of running the 2 bottom behind my Ollie, but figured that"d look real goofy, and I"d tear the old plow to pieces. Have a Farmall H that I could plow with, but bought the Ollie to handle my big, power jobs, if you want to call them that. I"ll ask around and see if I could rent someone"s plow.



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