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is a NI 5209 - 5212 a good machine?

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mlm

07-05-2005 19:27:17




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Thinking about buying a NI 5209 or 5212 with bad rollers. Replacement cost is about $3000.
How well do they deal with rocks? How often do the turtle gear boxes need to be serviced? I have heard to stay away from the red ones with a long one piece drive sfaft. the later better gray ones have many short drive shafts. Can they be converted.




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Hayman

07-06-2005 22:55:21




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  NI 5209 - 5212 a good machine - I agree in reply to mlm, 07-05-2005 19:27:17  
I have a 1990 CIH 3309 since new, which a is the 5209 painted red.

Mine has the one piece shaft in it which I have changed due to wear on it. You get wear between the hex shaft and hex bore on the pinon gears. The gear bore doesn't wear its the shaft it seems. I looked at a replacement gear set and the pinon shaft bore has the hex part cut through the whole width, where as mine are only a couple inches.

With all that said over the years I've change the shaft twice. Takes about a couple hrs and the shaft is around a $100. All my gear sets are original as the all the discs.

No chains or belts on the machine and the crimper roller bearings are geasable.


The cutter bar I check in the off season every winter. It takes type 0 gear box grease. Its kind of a pain to clean and fill but at least then I know I'm good for the summer. Years ago when I didn't cut as much I checked it every 2nd year.

The unit works great it cuts day in and day out.

This one I think should go another 15 years no problem.

They last as long as you don't try and level out old hay fields that are full of moles. While driving 12 mph with a 150HP tractor pulling it!!!

I run mine with a 95hp tractor at mostly 8mph max speed.

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JMS/MN

07-06-2005 16:27:43




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 Re: is a NI 5209 - 5212 a good machine? in reply to mlm, 07-05-2005 19:27:17  
Bought mine new in '90- gray machine, aren't current ones red? Grays had a couple updates. Mine had a single hex shaft under all of the cutterheads. Not a problem with that driveshaft. Newer machines had cutterheads with better protection of the bolts that hold the top piece and gear onto the casting- and the bolts were capscrews instead of hollow head- easier to remove after a few years of age. Cutterheads should be serviced annually- replenish EP90 grease and adjust shims for wear. Another update was on the slip clutch- I think it went from a 3 to a 4 plate clutch. NI replaced mine when the first one burned out. Construction of the frame switched over the years. Mine cracked at the pivot end. Original rectangular tube was welded only on one side, rather than extended through the joining piece and welded double. I pulled the frame and rebuilt it to compensate. Mine was the 5209- they hadn't come out with the 12 foot machine yet. Easy to cut 5 acres per hour, would never go back to a sickle machine, although I would look at other brands of discbines. Never plugged mine, even on point rows. Whatever goes in the front of the machine goes out the back in a new windrow. Usually cut 120-140 acres 3X each year, also cut barley once for the combine. Can loosen the rollers enough for the crop to flow through without much damage, if it's dewy or a bit earlier cut. Easy to replace cutting tips, way less service than a sickle. Make sure the skid shoes under each cutter head is in place- they protect the head from rock damage pretty well, but I did shear a couple of cutterhead tops over the years. Tops were also modified for the newer style bolts. Parts man will say you need to replace the both castings, but if you do a little grinder work to allow for the bolts- you need to buy only one. Maintain the cutterheads- gear/shaft combo was about $170 per unit.

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