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Silly questions about swathing and windrowing

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Randy-IA

07-02-2005 21:13:38




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Hi , I came to the realization that as much as I've learned over the past 48 years and especially the last 8 - 10 months and seeing as how I don't own a dictionary could somebody tell me what a " swath " is as apposed to a " windrow " ? Is it the relative width of the row ? The size of a row that's capable of being baled would be a windrow whereas the full width of the cutter would be a swath ? The reason I ask is because the 990 IH owners manual keeps refering to those terms for the setting of the windrow sheets at the rear of the machine . I am totally in the dark . It say's to set the swath-aerator ( which is no longer on the machine ) for the desired swath width or to set the windrow sheet's to 45" apart which I cannot do because the sheet's have been cut off at the brace ( shortened by about 10 - 12 inches ) . For what purpose I don't know , maybe they got bent . Does it matter how the grass/alfalfa get's back to the ground behind one of these things ? Should I get the sheet's back to the right length and get the swath-aerator replaced ?

So if I want to swath I'd set the sheet's to their widest setting and lower the swath-aerator to break up the discharged hay so it fluffs ? And if windrowing just bring the sheet's together to pile the hay high in a narrow row ? Am I on the right track ? If so what are the benefit's of each way ?

Sorry that was more than a silly question . Take care and thanks for not laughing ....Randy

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Bob

07-03-2005 15:31:02




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  
Parts books or owner's manuals for similiar machines alternately call the "swathers" or "windrowers".

I'd say which name they are referred to by is more of a regional thing than anything. Years ago, when I was young, here in ND, is seems to me units that were Canadian-made were more commonly called "windrowers" than US made units.



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Leroy

07-03-2005 08:02:54




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  
The swath would be like the cut from your cycle bar mower and the windrow would be like after you used the hay rake on it and with that mower-conditioner (That is what IHC called it) the wide lay of the hay would be a swath and that would be to dry for baling after raking but in the narrow position it would be called a windrow and that would be for following directly with a forage harvester (Chopper) for silo without much drying. In our area and Ohio is not that much different than Iowa in that the hay layed in the narrow position would never dry enough to bale and acording to the makers of the machinery a swather is for windrowing wheat for combining and has no conditioning rolls and is not good for hay, just for areas where the wheat has to be mowed to dry befor combining it

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Sam#3

07-03-2005 05:34:57




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  
a : a row of hay raked up to dry before being baled or stored b : a similar row of cut vegetation (as grain) for drying
2 : a row heaped up by or as if by the wind
3 a : a long low ridge of road-making material scraped to the side of a road



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Nebraska Cowman

07-03-2005 05:34:07




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  
Interesting but I never gave it much thought. In this area we use a "swather" to cut the hay and leave it in a narrow row. So when I go out to bale I follow the "windrow" At some point between "swathing" and "baling" the "swath" turns into a "windrow"



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Sam#3

07-03-2005 05:31:45




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  


Etymology: Middle English, from Old English sw�th footstep, trace; akin to Middle High German swade swath
1 a : a row of cut grain or grass left by a scythe or mowing machine b : the sweep of a scythe or a machine in mowing or the path cut in one course
2 : a long broad strip or belt
3 : a stroke of or as if of a scythe
4 : a space devastated as if by a scythe



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txgrn

07-03-2005 05:01:36




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  
Swath is just what is says. Swath is path and it is the path you fell whatever you are cutting.

The term windrow is the pile of debris left behind. Where they got the term I dunno, but that is what it's called.

Had 2 types of swathers, er ah mower-conditioners:

NH had fixed sideboards for a windrow of about 3' meaning that what the swath that cut was discharged into a 3' wide row (that the wind can blow around). If you wanted to change the width of the row, there was a steel plate affixed to the underside of the rear apron that could be raised up out of the way (narrow row) or bent down vertical (max width row).

JD has variable side boards which can be set to the desired width.

The more exposure to the sun you have the faster the crop will cure. But that interferes with the next cutting round and is usually wider than the throat of a baler.

I think windrow is a personal preference thing. I set mine so that the hay falls within the space between the tires of my cutting tractor (about 3') so that I don't smash it into the ground on the next round. This also leaves me a clean area for the cutter coming around on the next round (which is why I will never buy another sickle bar mower).

I always rake the crop a couple of times (at least) and that is where I determine how much of a windrow I will have for the baler. I may only rake one row or if the crop is light I may get as many as 6 rows combed together to roll.

HTH

Mark

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JMS/MN

07-02-2005 22:36:19




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to Randy-IA, 07-02-2005 21:13:38  
Interesting concept that you brought up, especially with our English language being dynamic, = constantly changing. I have a seven foot mower that cuts a seven foot swath, but I have a swather that cuts a fourteen foot swath and leaves it in a three foot wide windrow. The cutter bar sets the width of the swath, by its simplest definition, but the portion of the machine behind the cutterbar is what determines the width of the windrow..... which might be referred to as a 'swath.!

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fixerupper

07-03-2005 06:01:08




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to JMS/MN, 07-02-2005 22:36:19  
So if I get this right, the swath is the portion that has been cut, and the windrow is the condensing and realigning of the swath.I have also heard it called a SWAT. Jim



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fixerupper

07-03-2005 05:56:07




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to JMS/MN, 07-02-2005 22:36:19  
So if I get this right, the swath is the portion that has been cut, and the windrow is the condensing and realigning of the swath.I have also heard it called a SWAT. Jim



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txgrn

07-03-2005 06:33:24




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to fixerupper, 07-03-2005 05:56:07  
You've been watching too much TV. Ha!



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fixerupper

07-03-2005 06:12:58




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to fixerupper, 07-03-2005 05:56:07  
So I only posted once and it came up twice.Umm, must be a glitch here.Jim



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txgrn

07-03-2005 06:38:42




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to fixerupper, 07-03-2005 06:12:58  
Happens (happened) to me frequently.

Day B4 yesterday I called my service provider and told him that I was having problems getting logged on.

One of the things he did was send me to "Control Panel", "Phone and Modem" section, and check what my baud rate was. I did and it was 110, 000. My supplier is only set up for 56,000. I reset it to 56k and have had not one post miss since.

I think I was sending the message faster than the transmission/receiving system could handle it so it blocked it.

Mark

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fixerupper

07-03-2005 08:42:09




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to txgrn, 07-03-2005 06:38:42  
I"ve never had a problem with this before. Are you on the phone line? We have wireless internet so going to the phone modem doesn"t do any good. When I posted those messages, the posting process took a loooong tome, like, go make a pot of coffee, pour the coffee and then wait five more minutes. It"s usually really fast. We"ll see what happens this time.Jim



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txgrn

07-04-2005 06:16:15




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to fixerupper, 07-03-2005 08:42:09  
Yes on the phone line.

I spoke too soon as this morning, July 4, I had 2 or 3 that took a double post.

Mark



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fixerupper

07-03-2005 06:07:54




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 Re: Silly questions about swathing and windrowing in reply to fixerupper, 07-03-2005 05:56:07  
So I only posted once and it came up twice.Umm, must be a glitch here.Jim



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