Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Implement Alley Discussion Forum

Welded wagon Bearing - Help...

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Joe in IN

07-01-2005 19:30:25




Report to Moderator

Ok so I finally got most of the inner bearing out. By most I mean the rollers and the outer piece of metal. The inner metal seems to be stuck on the spindle. I would assume welded on.

So now what? What is the best course of action? I tried hammering the inner hub but all I seem to do it ding it up.

Need Help




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Leroy

07-03-2005 08:27:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
Did you do like I told you to, take off a good wheel and clean it up so you could see what you are supposed to have; I don't think so; and that will also give you the correct parts to take with you to by the new parts for the bad wheel, if you do not do that then you WILL NOT get the correct parts to repair the bad one with and you DO need to take all the others apart and regrease them or they will be doing the same as your bad one did so work on a good one first and wash it clean then you will see and know what you are doing to repair the bad one

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe in IN

07-03-2005 12:33:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Leroy, 07-03-2005 08:27:01  
Forgive me father for I have sinned... I'm not catholic but I think that is how it goes.

No I didn't. I know I know I should have. I didn't want to screw anything up. My thought was to get one wheel correct, then I will know what to do on the others, or at least have only one screwed up wheel.

This is what I get for buying cheap running gear. Tried to save money and it costs me a lot of time(which I don't have enough of...)

When done with this there is good chance I will look back and say I should have listened to ole' Leroy.....

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Leroy

07-03-2005 13:24:52




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-03-2005 12:33:31  
I don't think you could have screwed anything up, it would have been a simple thing to do, just as soon as you got the cap off start washing up with kerosine, then you can see what is supposed to be a cotter pin, then the castlated nut, then a flat washer with a guide pin in, then the outer bearing and to release that just pull on the wheel;you do not have to remove the wheel from the hub; that should let the bearing loose so you can pull it out with your fingers then pull the whole assembly off and do more washing, then you will see the grease seal and the back bearing and after those are out you will see the bearing races; front and back; there is a notch in a rim in the hub to use the punch in to drive the races out, I think with all your pounding and beating on the hub not knowing what you were doing you MAY have just busted that rim that is cast in your hub to hold the race in positin, If you did the hub may be usable or not depending on how bad you busted it, that is why I told you to work on a good one first as that way there is no way you should have been able to bust your hub and from your earlier post I think it is a J I Case wagon, hope you didn't break it too bad but you will still need a good one apart to be able to take to the parts store to get the correct parts as they will not be able to match anything up with your busted parts, take all the busted parts with you as well so the parts man can see what all you need and try to get the correct parts

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
tompepper

07-02-2005 04:27:03




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
if the roller and cage are gone on that bearing,all you should have left is the inner ring of the bearing on the axel.usually the hub shold pull off over it.my gess is the grease seal is holding it.take a long thin punch and drive the seal out and your hub should come off.then take a sharp chisel and cut acroos the ring and it will come of.i've done this several times working in the truckstop.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe in IN

07-02-2005 06:04:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to tompepper, 07-02-2005 04:27:03  
You deciphered all this 100% correct. I am a novice and didn't understand the only thing holding the hub on was the seal and not the inner race stuck to the axle. I thought the stuck race was holding everything on, but it was the seal.

I ended up with taking a 5 foot pry bar got some leverage and the wheel/hub came off(without the inner bearing inner race and the seal)...

I did learn something today.....

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RickL

07-02-2005 04:24:33




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
What is all this fuss about on the wheel hub you are hasving trouble with. I do them all the time asembling machinery and repacking old units. There is only four pieces in the average assembly. The hub (4bolt 5bolt 6bolt 8bolt and some larger yet patterns. inside hub will be a large bearing and matching bearing race,and a smaller bering and bearing race. Dirt seal on the inside of the hub on the large bearing side. I have never seen any welded to the hubs. The bearings can be stuck on the spindle sometimes and won't come off,no big deal. use gear puller and it comes right off. Joe in Ind give me a call sounds like you are totally confused, This is not a big deal so don't make it one okay 319-257-6764

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe inIN

07-01-2005 22:38:34




Report to Moderator
 I'm slow but but Ido catch on..Thanks in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
Got the tire off. The inner race is still on but I will get it the in the morning. Heat and hammer or hacksaw should work(I now see where the hacksaw reference came in....).

This is my first bearing replacement, I learned alot about how the darned things work... Thanks to everyone on this and prior posts....



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Nebraska Cowman

07-02-2005 03:19:40




Report to Moderator
 Re: I'm slow but but Ido catch on..Thanks in reply to Joe inIN, 07-01-2005 22:38:34  
Be careful pounding on the inner race. It is real hard and can break off pieces and send them flying.Be sure to wear gloves heavy long sleeve shirt or denim jacket and eye prtection.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
504

07-01-2005 21:42:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
Joe, If it is the inner bearing, bolt the tire and rim on the hub grab the wheel and pull and shake the hub, it will come off. Heat the race on two sides hit it with a hammer and chisle,reheat as needed.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
solar powered joe

07-01-2005 20:33:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
there are generally two parts to a bearing a race ans a ball holder. I have taken apart the outer race in a JD planter the only way to get them out was take a #0 welding tip and heat up a quarter of the circumferancetill it was glowing cherry red. and let it cool for about 15-20 min. wanted slow cool nothing fast like pouring water on. then the race practically fell out. if it is welded you should be able to see theat they had to weld from somewhere. if you are real carefula nd gppd a cuttiong torch worls great if not a cut off blade or hack saw. hope that helped

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe in IN

07-01-2005 20:54:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to solar powered joe, 07-01-2005 20:33:01  
How would a hack saw help me? Cut the spindle? I am reaching in 4 or 5 inches into the hub...

Could I just trash the hub(cut it open) so I can get the inner bearing removed, then just get a new hub?

By welded I was refering to heat build up while th wagon was traveling down the road not someone actually taking a welder to it....



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
solar powered joe

07-02-2005 07:04:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 20:54:58  
oksy wasnt sure where exactly the bearing was at. strick the hacksaw idea, your best bet is to heat up the race with a torch untill it glows cherry red, it is best to do this in a semi dark area not out in the sun. let it cool and try prying it out or if you have a welder and the race is clean weld a three treaded rods to the race andwasher and nut the rods to the outer edge of the hub and crank the race out about 1 turn per rod so it pulls evenly.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Coloken

07-01-2005 19:44:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Joe in IN, 07-01-2005 19:30:25  
Not clear if you got the wheel hub off or not. Cutting torch 4 inch grinder with cut off blade Demerel tool with a little 1 inch cut off wheel- no kidding, one of these has saved me several times.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe in IN

07-01-2005 20:30:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Coloken, 07-01-2005 19:44:49  
No, hub is blocked from coming off by the inside of the inner bearing. Thus I have been reaching in the hub 4 - 5 inches to hit it with a punch and hammer trying to loosen....



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe in IN

07-01-2005 20:30:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: Welded wagon Bearing - Help... in reply to Coloken, 07-01-2005 19:44:49  
No, hub is blocked from coming off by the inside of the inner bearing. Thus I have been reaching in the hub 4 - 5 inches to hit it with a punch and hammer trying to loosen....



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy