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justin krueg

07-01-2005 18:14:17




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still wondering about how a jd check wire planter works. I talked to a guy today that said you ran a wire in the rows, it had knots spaced that tripped the hopper dropping the seeds . Help!




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Leroy

07-03-2005 09:26:28




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to justin krueg , 07-01-2005 18:14:17  
For check row planting and this is out of the Deere planter book; Laying out the wire, Set the planter for drilling and drill 6 rows across the endof the field, These rows as well as the mark made by the marker will serve as a guide to indicate where to stop the planter after turning around at the end when check row planting. Drive the tractor so the planter is in position to plant the first 2 rows; With 2 row planter could also be 4 row planter; across the length of field, Lower the planter and move foward until the planter runners are over the inside row. Stop the tractor. The real of wire must be in position so that the wire will unwind from the top of the real. Attach the losse end of the wire, 6 or 6 buttons from the end of the wire, to the ancor stake. Set the anchor stake in the corner of the field about 4 feet outside of the checkhead and 7 buttons behind the planter. Engage the reel drive sprocket . Drive foward, If desired you can drill the first 2 rows of corn across the field while reeling out the wire. After the first 2 rows are drilled and the wire is realed out, stop the planter at the end of the field. Disengage the reel. Pull the wire to the edge of the field, allow 5 or 6 extra buttons for aditional length and cut the wire at one of the buttons. Drill 6 rows across the end of the field. Drive the tractor so the planter is in position to plant the second 2 rows across the field. Lower the planter and move foward untill the planter runners are over the inside row. Stop the tractor. Attach the wire to the second ancor stake and thread the wire into the check head, Set the stake behind the runner next to the wire side about 7 buttons back of the planter check head counting the button attached to the anchor stake. Set planter for use(different planters set different ways). and plant first time across. At the end of field,raise the planter runners out of the ground when the planter runners enter the end rows already planted. The wire is automatically released from the check head. Drive the tractor so the planter is in position to plant the next 2 rows. lower the planter and move foward until the planter runnersare over the inside row, stop the tractor. Pull the anchor stake and stand directly behind the checkhead on the planter and throw the wire toward the planter using an upward circular motion, moving at least 50 buttons, next thread the wire into the check forks and close the checkhead by a quick jerj on the wire toward the planter. with the wire tight enough to take up all the slack, set the stake directly belind therunner next to the wire side of the planter, do not plant at over 4 mph. at other end would repeat hooking up the wire but it would be on opposide of planter and continue accross entire field. A lot more tecnictal instrustions in book but this is the bacic principal and you could only use 1 wire and would not take as long to change wire at each end as getting on or of of tractor. If there was enough extra help to have one person stand at each end to rehook wire driver would not have to get off tractor to do it and on short fields would be worth more than on long fields. Hope I have cleared up a lot of questions. Leroy

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Delbert from Lincoln

07-03-2005 17:25:43




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to Leroy, 07-03-2005 09:26:28  
Where I grew up in SE Nebr. farmers with one and 2 row horse drawn equipment did not plant turn rows across the ends of the field. It just wasn"t done. This came later, I think with the 4 row planters and front mounted 4 row cultivators that would take out a quarter of a mile of fence with one incident of getting too close before starting your turn. Moving both ends of the wire at the same time worked for us.

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Leroy

07-04-2005 07:56:41




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 07-03-2005 17:25:43  
Moving both ends of wire would put the wire under tractor wheel with 2 row so how could you have it work like that? the reason for not moving the second stake is to keep it out of the way of the tire, now if you were using a 4 row the wire would have been out of under the tractor tire but 2 row an under tractor tire how did you get away with that?



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Delbert from Lincoln

07-04-2005 17:41:57




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to Leroy, 07-04-2005 07:56:41  
You Sir, are sure making my tired old brain work for it. I am talking here about the late 1930"s and early 1940"s. That planter was not a John Deere. The trip wire was in the center of the planter between the 2 rows. Harvey pulled it with horses, I said in an earlier post that he used 3 horses, but the more I think about it, I think he pulled the planter with 2 big work horses, and owned one smaller pony type horse that I rode across the field. The horses soon learned not to step on the wire. Actually they had no reason to step on it as it was inbetween them. At the end he pulled out and somehow droped the wire, lifted the planter out of the ground with levers, turned the team and planter 90 degrees and stoped. He got off and moved his end of the wire over 42 inches, and I moved my end and pulled it tight. He usually backed the horses an planter up, then turned into where he wanted to plant, put the planter in the ground and engaged the wire and we were off. Used to take us about 3 days to plant 20 something acres. Farmer that farms that land now does it 8 rows at a time behind a 4440 JD and takes him less then 2 hours. Back in those days school was out in early May and farmers usuallly started planting corn about the time school was out. Also kids were not penalized for missing school for farm work. But don"t get me started here.

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Leroy

07-05-2005 04:52:59




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 07-04-2005 17:41:57  
The book I quoted that out of was early 40's 290 JD but the 999 J D horse planter directions are the same and all planters I have ever seen, J D, IHC, Black Hawk that were made for trip wire had real in center to carry and unwind but the check heads were set 20" Approx. outside of each row, never heard of a planter having the check head between rows, What make of planter could it have been? And that 20" outside of row position would have been in line with the horses outside foot as it was walking, or the rear tire of most 2 row rowcrop tractors. I have multi John Deere planters with check heads here, Horse and tractor and a friend has several Black Hawk planters (Later Coop-Cockshut) with the check heads

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Delbert from Lincoln

07-05-2005 18:10:08




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to Leroy, 07-05-2005 04:52:59  
I can see how it would work with the wire heads 20 inches outboard from the row. With a team of horses, it would be fine, as the horses walk about where the rows are going to get planted, but with a tractor, the tractor wheel would be on the wire, and most of the tractors used back when farmers checked corn were on steel wheels, with big ugly lugs that would cut a wire in two when it ran over it. Rubber tires didn"t become popular until after the end of World War 2. Sure a few guys had them, but most were on steel. Some that came out on rubber got put on steel during the war when they would ruin a tire and couldn"t buy a new tire. I do not know what brand that corn planter was. I do know that he could put a chain on it and drill corn, or take the chain off and check plant corn. He had one field close to his house that he checked it because he liked to see it checked, and rest of his corn fields he drilled. I don"t have any other answers, I was just the neighbor kid that ran the dummy end of the wire. Every body should see a field of checked corn, at least once. Plants lined up in a row, at 90%, 45% but looking closer together, and even 221/2% if it is checked real accuradly.

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Delbert from Lincoln

07-02-2005 08:35:23




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to justin krueg , 07-01-2005 18:14:17  
What the others have said is right. When I was growing up I used to help our neighbor check corn. He got the land ready with a GP John Deere. Then he planted with 3 horses on the planter. He used 42 inch rows, and 42 inch spacing. I got the 4th horse to ride across the field. He made a pass on the end of the field with the planter to get a straight mark. No seed in the boxes. Then this mark was where the stake holding the wire went so everything was nice and even. He cut a couple of willow poles to measure with. He set the end he was on, then I set the end I was on, and waved to him to signal it was ready. He came across the field with the planter, and I rode the 4th horse to the opposite end. We were not very efficient by present day standard but itas a beautiful looking field of corn.The University of Nebraska checks a small patch of corn near 40th and Leighton Streets here in Lincoln. I suppose to teach how it was done.

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Delbert from Lincoln

07-02-2005 08:34:58




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to justin krueg , 07-01-2005 18:14:17  
What the others have said is right. When I was growing up I used to help our neighbor check corn. He got the land ready with a GP John Deere. Then he planted with 3 horses on the planter. He used 42 inch rows, and 42 inch spacing. I got the 4th horse to ride across the field. He made a pass on the end of the field with the planter to get a straight mark. No seed in the boxes. Then this mark was where the stake holding the wire went so everything was nice and even. He cut a couple of willow poles to measure with. He set the end he was on, then I set the end I was on, and waved to him to signal it was ready. He came across the field with the planter, and I rode the 4th horse to the opposite end. We were not very efficient by present day standard but itas a beautiful looking field of corn.The University of Nebraska checks a small patch of corn near 40th and Leighton Streets here in Lincoln. I suppose to teach how it was done.

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JMS/MN

07-01-2005 22:21:34




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to justin krueg , 07-01-2005 18:14:17  
When checkrow planters were used, the rows were typically 40 inches apart, so a team of horses could be used for cultivating. The wire had knots on a 40 inch spacing, so the corn field could be cross-cultivated. Not diagonally. And no- you could not use a second wire to save time- there was only one wire used in a field.



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jc

07-01-2005 18:41:02




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 Re: question about jd planter in reply to justin krueg , 07-01-2005 18:14:17  
Not sure there is a better way to explain it.
The wire was strecthed across the field much like we would to make a strait row in a garden.
The wire had knots or barbs at the proper spacing for the seed. The wire ran through a guide on the side of the planter. As the planter moved along the knots would flip a lever mechinism to drop the seed. The planter had seed boxes, drop tubes and soil openers with press wheels following just as later models do
9did). After the pass was made across the field the wire was moved. If there was enough help more than one wire was used and one would be moved while the planter was running on another row. Also the corn was spaced the same north south east and west so the crop could be cultivated perpendicular and diagonal. Is that clear as mud? Pardon the spelling I was plantin' corn that day. HTH

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