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Steve from New Holland

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Hayfarmer

06-28-2005 20:39:21




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Got good advice on problem with breaking auxilliary shear bolt and main one at same time on 282. Think feeder tine might have been hitting the center bar on the end. Still having a little problem with this but think it may be the track being worn. This baler has a tine bar without the cushion spring, it has a solid end. My parts book shows the tine bar with spring and I remember later balers still used it. This tine bar looks pretty new. Wondering if this was a changeover. I remember that spring being a real killer to put in, we usually used a hudraulic press.

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Steve from New Holland

06-29-2005 04:18:01




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 Re: Steve from New Holland in reply to Hayfarmer, 06-28-2005 20:39:21  
Hayfarmer, I'm not aware of a change over for that model, however, I have no problem with someone getting rid of the spring loaded tine bar. Brand new 565 balers no longer have the spring, so I am in favor of getting rid of that death trap. I know a guy who thought he could work on the spring loaded tine bar himself on an old 271 baler. The rod let go and hit him right in the stomach area. It did not kill him, but 1 year later he is still sore in the gut area. I can't imagine what would have happened to him if that would have been a bigger baler like yours. The spring is under much more tension then that old 271. As far as shearbolts, I know I talked to you about the big chain. Are you sure it is ok? Steve

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Hayfarmer

06-29-2005 07:29:45




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 Re: Steve from New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 06-29-2005 04:18:01  
The chain seems ok. actually loostened it a tiny bit wondering if it was too tight as bolt sheared as the bar rounded the right top corner. Think that may have been caused by loose track bolt on the right side and the track is worn pretty good, especially the front one. Other thing I am wondering is if the bearings in the foreward end of the tine bar, where the pin from the chain ride, could be bad and if that would cause enough drag. Have an old 280 wire baler and according to parts books the track and chain are the same on it so think I'll do some robbing of parts. Your suggestion did seem to fix the breakage on the left end, that center bar was bent in just a tad but probably enough to hit occasionally especially when baler was running at speed. I changed or replaced those springs in 283s and 290s and know the are a killer. Have heard stories of guys deciding to change their own and cutting the retaining bolts off the end while tine bar in a vice. Spring makes a good dent in a wall I'm told. Not sure if the bar needed that shock absorber or not.

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Steve from New Holland

06-30-2005 04:22:14




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 Re: Steve from New Holland in reply to Hayfarmer, 06-29-2005 07:29:45  
As for the bearings in the left side of the tine bar, I guess anything is possible, but I have never seen one of those bearings tighten up and cause alot of drag. I hate to beat a dead horse, but I feel I must ask you to check something before I agree that the chain is ok. What I would like you to do is have someone turn the baler slowly and watch the rollers of the chain as they turn on the right hand (free wheeling) sprocket. Do the rollers stay down in the bottom between the teeth of the sprocket, or do they appear to be trying to ride up along the side of the teeth? This is so VERY important. The chain may look good, but is it? If you are confident that the rollers stay in the bottom, then I will quit bringing up the issue. Steve

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Steve from New Holland

06-30-2005 04:21:57




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 Re: Steve from New Holland in reply to Hayfarmer, 06-29-2005 07:29:45  
As for the bearings in the left side of the tine bar, I guess anything is possible, but I have never seen one of those bearings tighten up and cause alot of drag. I hate to beat a dead horse, but I feel I must ask you to check something before I agree that the chain is ok. What I would like you to do is have someone turn the baler slowly and watch the rollers of the chain as they turn on the right hand (free wheeling) sprocket. Do the rollers stay down in the bottom between the teeth of the sprocket, or do they appear to be trying to ride up along the side of the teeth? This is so VERY important. The chain may look good, but is it? If you are confident that the rollers stay in the bottom, then I will quit bringing up the issue. Steve

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Hayfarmer

06-29-2005 07:28:04




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 Re: Steve from New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 06-29-2005 04:18:01  
The chain seems ok. actually loostened it a tiny bit wondering if it was too tight as bolt sheared as the bar rounded the right top corner. Think that may have been caused by loose track bolt on the right side and the track is worn pretty good, especially the front one. Other thing I am wondering is if the bearings in the foreward end of the tine bar, where the pin from the chain ride, could be bad and if that would cause enough drag. Have an old 280 wire baler and according to parts books the track and chain are the same on it so think I'll do some robbing of parts. Your suggestion did seem to fix the breakage on the left end, that center bar was bent in just a tad but probably enough to hit occasionally especially when baler was running at speed. I changed or replaced those springs in 283s and 290s and know the are a killer. Have heard stories of guys deciding to change their own and cutting the retaining bolts off the end while tine bar in a vice. Spring makes a good dent in a wall I'm told. Not sure if the bar needed that shock absorber or not.

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