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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 15:39:19




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Been looking for a baler and stopped at the local implement dealer.

He has a NH 849 that came in on trade last month. Almost certainly has been shedded all it's life. Very, very clean machine and was used last year.

The only thing I could find wrong with it is that there is a 3" long wear opening coming thru the wall sheet metal on the right hand side of the bale chamber.

It has a brand spankin' new chain and new U-joints.

Dealer says that they absolutely have no value at all and he'll take $500 for it.

This model doesn't have floor chains?

Dunno, I'm thinkin' 'bout this one. Whadda think?

Allan

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Walter Squires

06-29-2005 07:40:25




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
Allen, I worked in a NH dealership in southwest MO for several years in sales and those 849 balers were really a pretty good little baler and would bring around $1,800 to $3,500 depending on condition. If you can purchase that machine for $500 you better jump on it if you want a cheap baler, they won't make as tight of a bale as a 648 or a 654 but it's not $10,000 to $15,000 either. There is a way to check the chain wear by compressing the chain and taking a measurenent, not real sure the dimisions for a 849 but the service manager should be able to help you on that. The forming chain is the most expensive part to maintain and when it breaks it can cause some serious damage to the machine which I have seen first hand. An 849 makes an excellent silage baler which has actually brought the value up some in this area where we wrap a lot of balage, slow down your ground speed a bit and keep your RPMs up, do a good job filling the bale chamber even, preferable a full width windrow or one that is at half width or less of the baler and weave back and forth, if you chose to make a half width windrow feed one side then move over quickly, repeat this process until you have made a bale to the desired size. It takes some practice and getting the feel for the baler, your windrow will make a huge differance in the way of bale shape, you will find the better the bale shape the tighter the bale will be.
Good Luck, Walter

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2355DAVE

06-29-2005 06:02:02




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
The 849 is a pretty good baler. Who ever had it
has already tweaked it for a tighter bale (the
3 springs instead of the factories 2 springs)
the bottom drum roller is better than the older
floor chain models. The 849, 848,853,855 are
pretty good balers. On the 848-855 increase the
air bag pressure to 50 lbs to make a tighter bale, the extra 2 springs make it on the 849.
I haven't been convinced to go to the belt balers
yet, can't be all bad Krone stills uses chain/bar
in their balers.

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joe e-tx

06-28-2005 20:45:38




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
allen --i quit my job first of june. worked for GM dealers for 31 years.(wash rack.line tech,service manager,parts manager,fixed operations manager).you need to hire me so you can point and i can act like mexican and move.will bring baler(yellow) vemeeer.
no opla spanish
joe



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joe e-tx

06-28-2005 21:14:15




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to joe e-tx, 06-28-2005 20:45:38  
oooh found spinner plow brand unknown and 469 NH hay binde??? in uncles fence row have trailer can travel.



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JC in ky

06-28-2005 19:05:36




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
Tell ya what Allen, I can remember an old 855 we used to run and that was back when we did a lot of custom rolling for just about any body. Like the others have said they can roll any thing. From corn stalks to fine hay, it don't matter. Now a days with the belt rollers if you hit just the least little stick theyll throw a belt in a heart beat. You just have to trust who is doin the raking. But for $500, that is a good price. Even if it has a hole in the side. When we got our 855 we welded it up first thing and ran it for years. It had the hydrulic tie and we didn't have any trouble with it. Well theres my two cents for the day. Good luck Allan. JC

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Nebraska Cowman

06-28-2005 18:31:14




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
Is the 849 a little brother to the 855? If it is you will love it. Don't let anybody kid you, those chain balers will roll up anything from feathers to cottonwood trees. I've stayed in the field all day lots of times when the belt guys never came back after lunch cuz the hay was too dry and they couldn't start a bale. Cane, cornstalks, fine stem native grass, or 8 foot tall horse weeds, it don't seem to matter. Once I even cleaned up an alafalfa field 3 days after the other guy pulled out. Ya, it was dry but I hit it 4th gear without too much throttle and it would start her rollin'

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KEH

06-28-2005 17:34:07




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
OK,Allan, I see you are not going to take my advice about getting a belt baler! (Just Kidding) I'm not going to claim familarity with that model baler, but the lack of chains in the bottom is a plus. There should be a large roller in the bottom that the bale rides on. This makes the baler easier to pull and makes tighter bales. According to the book, the baler was made 1982-85 and makes 5 by 5 bales. The hole in the side probably can be patched by welding a plate there, but to me it means the baler was used a lot. I wore out a set of chains on an 847 plus put holes in the floor. Did not wear out the sides. IMO NH needed to put thicker steel in the balers. According to posts, the chain balers did better on cornstalks. Never round baled any myself.

KEH

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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 17:46:03




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to KEH, 06-28-2005 17:34:07  
Aw Ha,

That is what that big 10" roller is for!

No doubt is has seen a lot of hay in it's day and has it's flaws, but I'm very mechanical and sure think there is an easier way than the spending of $30K on a new one.

Thanks, you made my day.

Allan



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old

06-28-2005 16:37:57




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
Don't know how close that one is to an NH 850 but that does sound cheap. I know of a place around here that you can buy NH 850s for $750 choice.



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old

06-28-2005 16:37:40




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
Don't know how close that one is to an NH 850 but that does sound cheap. I know of a place around here that you can buy NH 850s for $750 choice.



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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 16:46:34




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to old, 06-28-2005 16:37:40  
Hi Old,

It looks just like this one; perhaps a little better paint. Also, this one has three tension springs instead of the two.

My hired man used to have an 851 and I thought that was the best darned baler that ever hit the bricks.

Had my mind all made up to find an 855, but for this kind of money, I wouldn't be out too darned much, I guess.

Like I say, the only thing I see wrong with it is the sheet metal on one side coming thru.

Thanks for your help,

Allan

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old

06-28-2005 20:28:58




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 16:46:34  
Shot for that price you could part it out and make 3 or 4 times the money. Also I can't see how it would be that hard to fix the problem with the hole in it, if you can weld that is. My old 850 has been very good to me till this year and even then it was only a $75 brake down and a couple hours of sweat. Just wish it would make a bale that was a little lighter, most of the ones I get are around 2000-2500lbs.

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Robhkent

06-28-2005 15:51:18




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 15:39:19  
Allan:

That wear through would bother me, but brand new chain... sound like a great deal. Hydraulic or electric tie? I found several just doing a google search and none were anywehre near $500 usually well over $2k



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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 16:04:47




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Robhkent, 06-28-2005 15:51:18  
Rob,

It is a hydraulic tie. I think the darned things wear thru that wall and need metal work with age, don't they?

The thing that is bothering me is that there are absolutely no floor chains in this thing; just the one long wrap chain. Also, are they a narrower bale? It looks "narrow" to me for some reason.

Thanks for lettin' me use your head,

Allan



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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 16:01:47




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Robhkent, 06-28-2005 15:51:18  
Rob,

It is a hydraulic tie. I think the darned things wear thru that wall and need metal work with age, don't they?

The thing that is bothering me is that there are absolutely no floor chains in this thing; just the one long wrap chain. Also, are they a narrower bale? It looks "narrow" to me for some reason.

Thanks for lettin' me use your head,

Allan



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edchainsaw

06-28-2005 19:34:00




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 Re: HELP!!! BIG TIME in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 16:01:47  
a friend of ours had an 855 baled for everyone and his brother for 17yrs it wore thru 3 times just welded new plate over the holes and replaced 2 or 3 bearings and the main chain

the drum the bottom is BETTER than all those chains.. in really dry short hay the chains will not start a bale sometimes.... but the drum will. our 853 is close to wearing a place or 2 but listening to you guys I think I will keep her. lol

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