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MPK

06-28-2005 12:10:07




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Does anyone remember back in the 40's & 50's they used to make a machine called a ( lister )? They never did use any of them in Mn where I farmed. I always thought they must use them down south but didn't really understand how or why they used them. It looked to me like they had a planter unit on them and they would plant in the bottom of the furrow. That doesn't quite make sense to me so I just have to ask a dumb question. Does anyone know how they were used?

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Delbert from Lincoln

06-29-2005 09:11:13




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 Re: Listers in reply to MPK, 06-28-2005 12:10:07  
40 to 60 years ago, when I was farming, most farmers in the hills in south east Nebr used listers and the ones on more level ground used corn planters. A lister is on or more middle busters, with a planting mechanism behind so the seed drops in the open furrow. Then a set of disks cover the seed. The planting mechanism was driven by a chain, sometimes from the press wheels, other times from the covering disks thru a gear mechanism. Where we were at the farmers in the hills planted on the terrace lines, and contour lines. So the corn row was basicaly level. Supposed to hold the water on the land and prevent washing. After the corn was picked in the fall, cows, and sometimes hogs were turned into the stock field for winter pasture, and to salvage what corn was left. In the spring the grond was run over with a disk or stock cutter, and then the lister was used to plant. If it was disked too far ahead and got a little weedy, it was no big deal, the dirt thrown up by the lister covered the weeds, and gave the corn an even start. There were 2 types of listers, ones with big middle busters and solid molboards, and ones with a narrow pointed lay and disks to open up the ground. The ones with the disks were called rotary molboads. They would work in plowed or disked ground, but the ones with solid molboards would not scour in plowed ground. Kinda like trying to plow previously plowed ground. After the corn was up, some used a disk set at a slight angle, others used a harrow, the ones that had them used a go devil, or monitor, also called a 2 row machine localy at least. It could be cultivated twice with the go devil, then was cultivated once or twice with convential cultivators.

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John A.

06-28-2005 19:33:50




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 Re: Listers in reply to MPK, 06-28-2005 12:10:07  
MPK, In the TX/Ok/SwKs where "Row water irrigation was used for many, many yrs. One plants on the Tops and irrigates in the Bottoms. A Lister plow was used to get your row crop ground ready for planting after all the chieseling and disking was done.
If a farmer was a 4-row equipment guy, his Lister had 5 middlebusters to lay off the ground. NOTE so you could plant on the...4 'matched tops' of the 'Bed' & water ran in the bottoms! Also you cultivated the same was on the same 4 matched rows.
A guy with a 6 row set up had a Lister with 7 middlebusters.
A guy on 8 row, his had 9 busters. You get the picture.
Since the advancement in Centerpivots, Water Conservation, High DSL/Irrgation Natural Gas...near $+7.00/Kcf. Row water has gone the way of the onewayplow,& Moldboard.... OBSOLETE.
I am talking about the guys who have in excess of 800 acres of irrigated summer crops. These guys have pretty mutch gone to Minium Till,No-till, Strip-till in their operations. Again in areas where the only water comes from Mother Nature then one still plants in the bottoms or on Flat ground then cultivates a water catching middle. Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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Tim(nj)

06-28-2005 13:23:05




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 Re: Listers in reply to MPK, 06-28-2005 12:10:07  
They were also used in dryland wheat areas (without planter units) to make furrows in the fall to catch snowmelt in the spring. Middle buster was used to fill in the furrow to trap moisture and then spring wheat was drilled.

In some places with high rainfall and flat fields that drain slowly they are used to make a furrow, but the planting is done on the ridge to keep the plants from flooding out.

At one time they were used in South Jersey to make flood-irrigation furrows for vegetable crops, but overhead pivot and in-row dripline irrigation systems have superceded that system.

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Coloken

06-28-2005 13:12:29




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 Re: Listers in reply to MPK, 06-28-2005 12:10:07  
Only thing used here. Opened up a furrow--36 to 40 inches apart---then planted in the bottom. Hopefully in moisture. Cultivated with a "godig" that had a disk as close as you dared on each side of the corn. first you "through out" trying to kill as many weeds as posible. Then later you "through in" to level the ground.
Kennyp



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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 13:25:10




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 Re: Listers in reply to Coloken, 06-28-2005 13:12:29  
Ken,

Remember the phrase, "Plowin' corn"? :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 13:22:10




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 Re: Listers in reply to Coloken, 06-28-2005 13:12:29  
Ken,

Remember the phrase, "Plowin' corn"? :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

06-28-2005 12:32:06




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 Re: Listers in reply to MPK, 06-28-2005 12:10:07  
MPK,

They were used mostly in very dry areas and that is exactly how they worked.

They planted down in the bottom of the furrow where the rainwater would collect.

Allan



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Ks-farmer

06-28-2005 12:42:42




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 Re: Listers in reply to Allan in NE, 06-28-2005 12:32:06  
After the crop was up my dad would use a spiked tooth harrrow and nock down the ridges. When it was time to cultivate again the dirt was moved against the plants and left a furrow where the ridge was again gathering rain.



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MPK

06-28-2005 16:34:32




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 Re: Listers in reply to Ks-farmer, 06-28-2005 12:42:42  
Thanks guys for the quick and knowledgeable responses. It looks like this was a good all purpose tool. I wonder if any of these or something like it are being used today. Does anyone know any more about this? Thanks again.



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