Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Implement Alley Discussion Forum

Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Joe in IN

06-28-2005 06:35:15




Report to Moderator

I bought some running gear last year for $50, pulled it home and noticed once of the hubs was warm. I figured it needed some grease on the bearings but it made it home. I put a bed on and had to put it in emergency service this weekend. It made 4 or five trips around the field, when we went to back it into the barn the wheel stopped turning about 3 feet short(she went in the barn anyway).... Sooo....

I loosened 4 small bolts on the 'hub' (The center of the wheel, it sticks our about 4 or 5 inches from wheel). It comes off, there was a rusty nail where I'm sure a cotter pin would go, removed that... Behind that was a 1 1/2 nut, I got that off, and then a metal 'star' (it had 7 points) that just pulled off easily. I got the wheel to turn fairly well by doing this but that is where I am and don't know what to do from here.


The wheel is a 5 bolt wheel(Though only 3 are present) bolted on to the 'hub' that rotates around the threaded 'axle'(my terminology may not be right).

I have no idea what kind of running gear other than old... Any thoughts from you experts?

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Leroy

06-29-2005 18:22:46




Report to Moderator
 Re: Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help in reply to Joe in IN, 06-28-2005 06:35:15  
The 4 small bolts that hold the grease (Dust) cap on sound like it would be a Case but the grease cap was only about 5/8" out from where the wheel sets and 5 lug bolts, 9/16" size, haven't had mine apart



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Sam (MO)

06-28-2005 12:39:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help in reply to Joe in IN, 06-28-2005 06:35:15  
Back in the old days working on cars, I would remove the wheel and then the dust cover, cotter pin, nut, washer. After I had all that off, I replace the nut and with both hands get the hub a good pull outwards. This will cause the nut to catch the inside bearing and seal causing it to stay on the axle. Be careful not to damage the bearing.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
INCase

06-28-2005 09:38:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help in reply to Joe in IN, 06-28-2005 06:35:15  
It may not be too hard. Take the outboard bearings out and take the hub off the spindle.(take the wheel off to make it lighter). The inner bearings may be loose (stay on the spindle) or could be pressed into the hub. Either way look at the spindle to see if the bearings scored the spindle. If not too bad I"d probably reuse the spindle. If not you may have to replace it. Then look at the hub for the same signs of scoring. Many companies did not make their own bearings, hubs or spindles. You may be able to find some of these parts at NAPA, TSC or a large equipment dealer. There is a good chance the bearings will have someones name on them like SKF or Timken ect. and a part#. These should be easy to cross reference and find thru NAPA or Grainger, McMaster-Carr ect.ect. Assemble in the reverse way as removal. Be sure to grease well with good grease. Don"t over tighten the "axle" nut. They claim not to pull wagons over 25mph as the bearings weren"t made for high speed. So keep that in mind if you pull with a truck. good luck!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Joe in IN

06-28-2005 09:47:07




Report to Moderator
 Re: Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help in reply to INCase, 06-28-2005 09:38:13  
How do I get the outboard bearingss out? Pry them? Though I am not sure what to pry....

Thanks!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don-Wi

06-28-2005 21:19:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help in reply to Joe in IN, 06-28-2005 09:47:07  
To get the outer races out, most hubs I've worked on either had 2 spots where you could get at it with a punch and drive it out, or there was just enough shoulder to stop the race but also enough clearance to get at it with a punch. If you can't get it this way(Sometimes takes ALOT of pounding) You can try running a bead of weld around the race and douse it in water IMEDIATELY. It should pop right out, but I've never done it this way. Next time I think I'll try it though.

As far as the tapered roller bearings themselves, they should come right out. If the hub sticks onto the spindle w/ the nut removed, give it a quick pop or hit it with a rubber hammer. All hubs I've taken off came right off with out any fight from the spindle.

When putting it back together, it is best to install the outer races w/ a press so you have steady, even pressure. If you don't have a press, you can use a bench vis if it will open up far enough or use something softer like a wook block, big enough to cover the entire race, and drive it in with a hammer. Once in to a certain point, you can drive it in the rest of the way with a punch, working your way around it with every hit (ussually 180 then 90 from the last hit)

Before you put the bearings in, make sure to pack them. This can be a messy job so make sure you have plenty of rags on hand. Take a handful of automotive spindle grease, or even better for the farm use is grease for boat trailer hubs. You take the bearing and skim the edge of the grease in the other hand with the edge of the bearing. Once it ooses out the other end of the bearing, rotate it and repeat until you worked your way around the whole bearing.

After the hub is in place w/ the outside bearing, put all the washers/ nut back in place. I ussually tighten it down until the hub won't turn anymore, then back it off until it spins freely. If the hub doesn't have a grease zurk in it, I'll drill a hole in the dust cap (1/4-28 threads) and insert a grease zurk there.

Every year when you pull it out give it 5 shots of gun grease, and you're set.

Donovan from Wisconsin

Also, typically you want to replace the bearing and race as a set, especially in automotive or other critical uses. In a hay wagon you could get by using the old one if it's not scored/gouged or otherwise worn out.

Good Luck!!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
caseyc

06-28-2005 10:54:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: Hay Wagon Wheel Bearing...Help in reply to Joe in IN, 06-28-2005 09:47:07  
if you have the nut off already like you stated the hub should just pull off with the first bearing falling out and the second coming out the back once you have the seal off. if the hub won't just pull/fall off you got her darn hot. probably gonna take a hammer on the back side to get it off.

casey in SD



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy