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knotters on 276

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tugboat tim

06-26-2005 07:21:00




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need to get the gear off that drives the bill hooks it looks like the gear stripped throwing it way out of time and not even breaking the shear pin and to top all that off both needles exploded into three or four pieces. Beleve I need to see if steve from new holland makes house calls




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Steve from New Holland

06-27-2005 04:19:12




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 Re: knotters on 276 in reply to tugboat tim, 06-26-2005 07:21:00  
Tim, both Rick and Hayman are correct. Even if the billhook gear is worn badly, you probably can get the knotter issues fixed up by removing the endplay in the knotter gears. However, that does not totally fix up your needle breaking problem. The flywheel shearbolt may not have broken, but I suspect the knotter shearbolt did. This should have automaticly broken the flywheel bolt, but since it did not, that tells me your safety latch is not working. Either the safety latch spring is broken or missing, or the safety latch has rusted solid and does not pivot. It is probably the latter. Please fix the safety latch issue before going any further. Steve

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RickB

06-26-2005 16:17:24




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 Re: knotters on 276 in reply to tugboat tim, 06-26-2005 07:21:00  
Probably too much play in the knotter stack. Billhook pinion wear is usually identified by roundness in the flat surface that rides along the big cam gear when the pinion isn't turning. After you get that straightened out, reduce knotter stack play by removing the capbolt, washer and shims from the RH end of the knotter shaft. Loosen the pinch bolt in the needle rod crank arm and suck the brake disc/crank arm in with the cap bolt and washer less the shims until the billhook pinions or knotter frames drag lightly on the cam gears. Set the shimpack so the cap bolt places no additional load on the crank arm. Tighten the pinch bolt. The knotter frames should drop down by gravity when flipped up, except for when the knife arm is dragging the billhook.

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Hayman

06-26-2005 09:14:26




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 Re: knotters on 276 in reply to tugboat tim, 06-26-2005 07:21:00  
That gear (pinon) is held on the bill hook shaft with a 3/16" groove pin. You postion the gear so you can drive it out with a punch and hammer etc.

So for that bill hook pinon to jump out of the time with the cam gear you got troubles. There must be too much play between them. There are shims you add and remove to adjust knotter stack clearances between the knotter frames(where the bill hook mounts in) and the cam gears .

Have a look at the cam gear and bill hook pinon are they really worn down?? I have an old 278 thats made a zillion knots practically and it has the original bill hook pinons on it.

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