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Knot a good Knot Guy

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Michael Soldan

06-23-2005 05:49:37




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I can never tie a new ball of twine to the old one and have it feed through and work. The other day I tied in new balls, tied a tight suare knot and took a knife and trimmed them bare, looked like they would slip through a needle's eye and only one went through, suddenly bale coming down the shute with no string on one side ..why? incidentally we ran four loads of hay on and the only miss we had was that string feed not coming through...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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John In North Iowa

06-24-2005 09:17:56




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
WyoDave,

I have an IH 46T baler that I have baled over 2000 bales with it this year and never miss a bale because of a splice. I miss 2 bales because I had some hay get under the breastplate on the knottier. I use a sheet bend knot to splice the balls together with run of the first ball going through the loop only once. Works really well and I may have only had it fail maybe twice in 4 years. Those times the knot was in the knottier. Now what are the odds of that happening!!! It shows the knot in this gallery.

John In Iowa

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John In North Iowa

06-24-2005 09:25:11




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to John In North Iowa, 06-24-2005 09:17:56  
Sorry,

I forgot the link. >Link

John>Link In North Iowa



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WyoDave

06-23-2005 17:30:52




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
That happens here pretty frequently too, and my grandpa showed me a trick. We only run plastic twine so I don't know if this happens for sisal too. Even if you tighten a square knot all you can when you connect the balls together it will begin to work loose as it rattles around in the twine box. I wouldn't have believed it if my grandpa hadn't opened the lid and showed me a knot I had just tied a couple rounds earlier that was working loose. Now I just check the knot evertime I'm near and retighten it. Seems to help.
David

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Warren in Wisc.

06-23-2005 13:04:26




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
Michael,

Years ago, my father taught me a trick that was simple and quick. Tie the ends with a square knot, leaving the ends about 1" to 2" long. Don't cinch the know too tight yet, just a little snug. Next, carefully unwind or untwist the twine adjacent to the newly tied knot. Fray the ends of the twine. Then place one end of the frayed twine inside of the untwisted part of the twine - kind of weave it into the twine. Once both loose ends are inside of the twisted line, roll the whole knot and the ends vigorously between your palms. Pull the knot snug and then roll again between your palms. This will result in the free ends of the know being kind of spliced in the line eliminating a hard edge of a knot to catch on something. Try it once, you will be surprised how quick and easy it is!
I hope the explanation made sense - it does to me cuz I could do it in my sleep. What you are trying to do is to blend the free ends in the line so nothing is hanging out.
Good luck.

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Roy in UK

06-23-2005 10:14:28




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
Dad"s trick with sisal was to discard the first few feet off the new ball(which was usually badly frayed anyway) then, using his penknife with the twine trapped between it and his thumb, shave the last inch or so off the ends of both the new and the old balls of twine thus reducing them about half the normal thickness.He then tied the new ball to the old with a reef knot. Because he had shaved the ends, the resulting knot was only as thick as the twine itself. It usually worked!

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Our Farmer

06-23-2005 09:03:58




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
I used to have that problem until I switched to using a bowline knot to splice. Haven't had a problem since. Time to dig out that old Boy Scout handbook!



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big jt

06-23-2005 08:31:49




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
I'm curious does the manual show a knot for tying the balls together. All the grain binder manuals that I have show a knot that works fairly well for me in binders. It is similiar to the Reef knot shown here earlier.

One other thing that might help. I always thought the first 10 or 20 feet out of a new ball pulled pretty hard and tended to fray easiely. When tying in a new ball into my binders I always pull out the first 10 feet and throw that twine away.

JM2CW

jt

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Coloken

06-23-2005 08:28:03




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
One more "me too". I could get most to feed throug, but a bad one caused so much trouble with the 8 bale accumulator that i got to watching and just re-threaded when the ball got about to run out. I like the idea of a colored string at the end..like cash regester paper.



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caseyc

06-23-2005 06:43:36




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
i got the same problem! the only miss is on the twine change. the knot gets wrapped up in the knotters and makes a mess. takes a good 20 min or better to get it all cleaned up and going again. not another miss till change over again. i'm not very good with knots so i'm sure i'm not tieing them properly.

casey



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Farmer Gene (NW WI)

06-23-2005 06:31:48




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Michael Soldan, 06-23-2005 05:49:37  
Don"t feel bad I have the same problem, I wish they would make the last few feet of twine a different color so you"d know when it was ready to switch balls. I started using what I think they call a carpet layers knot and have much better results, rarely misses when switching now.



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CB in central NY

06-23-2005 06:47:21




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Farmer Gene (NW WI), 06-23-2005 06:31:48  
Farmer Gene:

I have the same problem with my JD 14T. I hate to waste a bunch of twine and yet I don't like to see all that hay come out of the chute untied and have to re-bale it.

What is a carpet layer's knot? I don't know if it's possible to describe it or if I need a picture. Thanks.



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Roper6365

06-23-2005 07:53:00




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to CB in central NY, 06-23-2005 06:47:21  
Guys, Here is the knot I use. Reef knot

http://www.tollesburysc.co.uk/Knots/Reef.htm



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Dale in IN

06-24-2005 07:28:24




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 Re: Knot a good Knot Guy in reply to Roper6365, 06-23-2005 07:53:00  
That is a square knot. The type I always use when tying two balls of twine together. The other thing I do I pull the knot over the edge of the twine box and drag it back and forth a few times. this seems to tighten the knot and also makes it smaller.



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