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2nd attempt at 1st cutting

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Randy-IA

06-22-2005 19:45:08




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Hi all , I didn't get too eager this time with my last 2 acres which I cut last Thursday evening . Grass was late , already bloomed , but the rain finally stopped ! Let it lay till Sunday PM . Started to rake it and the hub drive mechanism in the rake broke , no problem , I took it apart and took the whole works to where I work and cleaned it up with the steam cleaner , then went to the hardware store to get the simple little spring that broke and stopped everything . OH yeah , It was fathers day and the hardware store was closed . Now you know that I'm not a father so I completely overlooked it . Did some searching and found some springs that would work . Got everthing back together and it works SOOOO good now . Excuse me while I break my elbow patting myself on the back ;'} ! I got it turned and it was so dry underneith that I just baled it that evening . It's green and DRY ! The 14T missed a few again mostly because I didn't tie the right kind of knot between the rolls of twine and the knots slipped loose . I've since found wisdom .

Just a couple of questions ; First , With dry , dry hay how can I get a tight bale the same length without the weight ? Is that a clear question ? I got about 45 - 50 lb bales at roughly 36" but they were sort of loose , and unlike the last time a lot of them banana'd on me . Was this due to being too dry ? I know the 14T has two postions for the feeder forks so are they supposed to be in the upper hole for dry hay and the lower hole for less than dry hay since it was the left side of the bal e that was short and it's now set in the lower hole ?

Both sides where on the loose side . Is getting a tighter bale as simple as tighening the twine tensioner under the twine box lid ? I've removed the ramps on the bottom ( they were rotted anyway ) but I didn't remove the resistors on the sides .

By the way , I could look in the manual but you folks are a lot more fun ! AND you've filled me with a lot of good knowledge to pick and choose from that will work in my " here " .

I got a little over a ton an acre I think ( about 50 bales an acre ) up 5 bales an acre from what I cut two weeks ago . It's enough for the horses for this winter . I'm still looking for someone who will take that first attempt of mine for cattle feed . My wife is still feeding it to the horses even though it's dusty ( I can't see any dark mold on it ) , she just wet's it when she feeds it . The horses are getting fat and they aren't colicing or coughing so I don't know !?!??

Thanks again to everyone ! Take Care ...Randy

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Tom in TN

06-23-2005 02:54:35




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Randy-IA, 06-22-2005 19:45:08  
Randy,

In my experience, I have found that loose or mis-shapen bales are a result of small windrows. When I provide plenty of hay to the baler, I get good, tight, properly shaped bales. If I provide small windrows, the bales are loose and mis-shapen. I virtually always rake two swaths into one windrow. Yesterday, I raked three swaths into each windrow, and I have actually raked four swaths into a windrow when I have cut really scrawny hay.

So, I would insure that the windrows are big and fluffy before I started trying to adjust the tensioners on the baler.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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Randy-IA

06-23-2005 15:49:26




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Tom in TN, 06-23-2005 02:54:35  
Hi Tom , You know , I don't remember where the banana bales were in the field so that may be the cause . I had a couple windrows so big that I had to run the baler thru them twice to get it all picked up . I was running in 1st under on the 1755 and was still slipping the clutch but I broke 2 shear bolts on those windrows . I also had a couple 2ft wide windrows and they could have come from there . I do remember that on the big windrows the bales stuck together so I need to take the plunger out again and sharpen the knives some more ( I thought I had them sharp enough , I guess not ) and replace the guides . It was real stemmy . Thanks for the reply ! I've got a lot of experimenting to do ....Randy

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Roy in UK

06-22-2005 22:27:58




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Randy-IA, 06-22-2005 19:45:08  
Tightening the twine tensioners makes no difference whatsoever to bale density.Having them over/under tight does lead to knotting problems though.



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Randy-IA

06-23-2005 16:02:58




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Roy in UK, 06-22-2005 22:27:58  
Hi Roy , So if tightening the twine tension doesn't make a tighter bale then the only way to make a tighter bale is to make a heavier bale ? OR do I shorten the bale AND make it tighter with the tensioners to maintain the desired weight ? Or am I way off base with this line of thinking ? The hay I baled two weeks ago was pretty damp and the bales were VERY heavy , very tight and perfectly shaped . They LOOKED great but they weren't . I didn't change a thing on the baler just the moisture in the hay . I had some problems with knots slipping on the last go-round , they'd come out good but as they were being picked up the knots would come loose . I didn't have that problem this time . Like I said before ...I guess I got some experimentin' to do . Thanks ....Randy

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thurlow

06-23-2005 08:55:29




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Roy in UK, 06-22-2005 22:27:58  
Hey Roy, don't know why, but this thread kinda' reminds me of a quote of the day someone sent me.....
""""" """Some people are like Slinkies...
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.""""" "" I'm gonna think further and see if I can get the connection..... .



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Randy-IA

06-23-2005 16:17:15




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to thurlow, 06-23-2005 08:55:29  
Thurlow , I don't know if I should take offense or not ? I've been called a lot of things by people I don't know but worthless hasn't been one of them . Have a great day ! ...Randy

PS ; Do you really smile when you push someone down the stairs ?



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thurlow

06-23-2005 20:56:46




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Randy-IA, 06-23-2005 16:17:15  
Hey Randy, no offense intended; I realize none of us were born knowing how to operate farm machinery, but when you've been around it all of your life, it's hard to imagine anyone not knowing the basics. Some of us never "learned"; just kind of picked it up through osmosis or something; been going to the field since I was 4 years old.....56 years..... .and sitting on a tractor since I was 8; sorry for the "poke"; doesn't make sense, but the thread/question just hit me as being funny..... ....

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txgrn

06-22-2005 20:27:50




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Randy-IA, 06-22-2005 19:45:08  
My experience with a tigher bale (24T) was to tighten the friction bar on the end of the chute to squeeze down more on the bale and force it to pack more hay to move it down the chute and to feed a full windrow.....keep it's mouth crammed full. Grin.

Mark



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Randy-IA

06-23-2005 16:40:57




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to txgrn, 06-22-2005 20:27:50  
Hi txgrn , I tried , I'm still unsure as to how much life this old baler has left in it so I'm trying not to push it too hard . I'm still working on getting the hang of how much it'll take before choking . I've read some threads that say feed it close to the chamber . I tried that and it gets a plug at the end of the auger just in front of it where the forks don't get to and neither does the auger . It just sits there and doesn't move but it's still getting hay to the chamber so it doesn't plug the whole baler . I'm still looking to see what was causing that , it's not an adjustment problem , most likely a rough spot on the tin that's hanging it up . I replaced all the pickup teeth so I'm sure it's not that . I found that mine feeds better if I keep the windrow towards the outside a little . I've got two more try's this year to figure it out , and maybe more if the weathers good . I'll keep tring the different ways everyone has suggested till I find the way's that work for me . School of hard knocks I guess . Thanks ....Randy

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txgrn

06-24-2005 04:57:32




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to Randy-IA, 06-23-2005 16:40:57  
Hear you on gotta wait till another crop grows. I am having that problem adjusting my new (to me) roller. My last one was all manual. This one has whistles and bells and the previous owner didn't have them tweaked properly.

I got out the book and did the best I could. Then went out in the yard and cut just enough grass to make a roll. Worked pretty good. So we'll see.

Never sat a 14. My 24 (now sold) was pretty straight forward with the auger and the big fork on top. Not much I can tell you about it except that it used to go thru shear pins like crazy till a friend of mine said to check the brake shoes on the tie mechanism....seems the ram was hitting the stops when you tried to tie. Put in new shoes and it baled like a champ.

One thought. Keep your knives sharp. Makes up for a lot of sins. Not sure a piece of sheet metal would do that much overall to interfere with a good bale..... thinking..... . if your feed fork (if you have one) doesn't push the new hay all the way to the far side of the chute that could cause lopsidedness or if it pushes it too far could do the same, just affect the other side of the bale.....How far is too far? Dunno. Trial and error. How to adjust? Dunno that either. Sorry,

Mark

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TimS

06-23-2005 12:36:25




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to txgrn, 06-22-2005 20:27:50  
You can adjust the bale tension cranks at the end of the bale chamber to increase the density of the bales a bit, but it also takes a good sized windrow as well.

Our first cutting we had some really small windrows and the bales came out loose and a bit bent.



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Randy-IA

06-23-2005 17:02:48




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to TimS, 06-23-2005 12:36:25  
Hi Tim , Thanks . I'm going to work on my raking techniques because I found out the rude way that it's not the easy part ! Especially in my odd shaped field . ...Randy



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txgrn

06-23-2005 14:39:42




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 Re: 2nd attempt at 1st cutting in reply to TimS, 06-23-2005 12:36:25  
Same thing happened to me last year trying to clean up the pasture adjacent to the house; real skimpy windrows. This year I said I'd let it grow some hay B4 I baled it and it did greatly improve the density and quality.

Mark



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