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gac

06-22-2005 18:24:47




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Hello, I potentially buying a 504g and will have a chance to do a few bales with it tomorrow. I have not used a round baler before, but bales thousands of square bales. Any pointers I should keep in mind? Are there any tricks getting the bale started? How do you adjust tension? The baler has not been used in a while and the inside is rusty, will there be an issue getting the bales out? If I get it, a manual will be on order the next day. Thanks.

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gac

06-23-2005 18:04:05




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
Thanks to all who posted. I did 3 bales today then lost a bearing. Good tight bales. Thanks.



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Hay DR

06-23-2005 07:59:57




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
If you call Vermeer 641-621-7558, tell them you purchased a used baler and they will send you one free. If the dealer does this you will pay $20.



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paul

06-23-2005 06:42:28




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
I have a 605F which has hyd tension. I think you just have springs no adj?

In real dry grass starting a bale can take some learning. Feed slowly, let it get that core spinning, sucked in. Sometimes it needs to think about that first little mouthful for a bit. New flaps on that spinning roller really helps I hear, need to order myself a set. Also the pickup teeth are a part of the bale forming process, you want all OEM teeth, missing ones will hurt ya on forming bales.

Get hay all the way across to start, or the belts will get messed up as others say. Need to fill both sides, center will take care of itself. Manual says either a skinny windrow 1/2 size or less of the baler width, or full width windrow. A 3/4 size windrow will make a barrel-shaped bale as the middle always gets hay, the ends only get hay 1/2 the time.

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Hay Dr

06-23-2005 06:35:28




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
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With every round baler known to man this statement is true. " The bigger the windrow the better the bale will be." A windrow the with of the bale is ideal. If an operator has to chase a small windrow all-over the field they will cuss the rake person and not make the best bales. Back in 1980's Vermeer came out with the R21 twin rake that is Hydraulically driven. At the farm Progress Show in Amana, IA. The show organizers did a test with a New Holland 851 chain baler baling a double NH256 windrow and baling a windrow with a Vermeer R21 twin rake. They used the same baler and operator in the same field. They weighed the bales and the R21 raked bales out weighed the NH256 bales by over 250 lbs per each bale.
A current Vermeer R23A twin rake.

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Joe(TX)

06-23-2005 05:35:41




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
The 504G has no tension adjustment. The 2 big springs on the side are all you've got. Like the others said, fill the outside edges and the center will take care of itself. Start the bale with slow if you can and speed when started. Check the frame around where the gate cylinders mount to see if there are cracks. You probably will have a few bearings to replace if it has been setting.
The rust on the sides should cleanup when you start rolling. I may be tight for a bale or two.

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N0.2

06-22-2005 23:19:45




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
We've had a 504g almost 15 years now. Everything the troubleshooting section says will happen sooner or later. Read the book, make sure all the chains and sprockets are in good shape. I like to start the bale on the right side then once it starts rolling the hay real good switch to the left side. Like Kelly said , make the sides or ends of the bale and the center will take care of itself. If you have the horsepower use a bigger tractor. We started with a 275MF, then ran it with a JD2840 followed by a JD4020 and have been using a JD4320 the past 3 years and it's by far the best tractor for the job. If everything is right that baler will make a good tight bale that will stand up to the weather. We've got about 15 bales left out side from three years ago that still have a lot of good hay in them. I've seen hay baled with a chain baler left outside that you could not pick up the next spring.

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Kelly MT

06-22-2005 23:00:42




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 Re: vermeer 504G in reply to gac, 06-22-2005 18:24:47  
I have a 504H, good baler. When starting a bale I like to move across the windrow starting the bale on one side and moving across to the other to get the core rolling full width. If I don't I likely will get the belts on the wrong side of the hay and have a mess. Also keep the bale square. Feed hard to the corners for a good square shoulder. Don't weave, feed one side then move right across to fill the other side. The middle will fill fine and make a nice square bale that will ship. I wrap the twine five wraps to start and move the hydraulic arm right across and put five more wraps to finish. This will keep the bale tight. I stop then throttle down, kick out the PTO back up a few feet and dump the bale. I put up some square bales to and the big difference is you build the round bales by feeding the hay to the right spot to form a nice bale, square bales you just cruse along. Good luck! PK

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